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To: P-Marlowe; drstevej; RnMomof7
Why are you pinging me here? You know you often accuse me of "playing to the Jury" but this little screed by OP is essentially nonsense (accusing Arminius of advocating murder)... Arminius' postion as stated by OP merely recognizes that the power granted to the State is ordained of God and the ruler (no matter how much of a despot he is) is instrument of God's judgement.

Lies.

You are attempting to under-represent Arminius' position in order to exempt him from the argument you so love to use against Calvin. But your duplicitous little dodge won't hack it.

Acknowledge that Arminius specifically stated that the Magistrate was to Legislate and enforce by the Sword obedience to all Ten Commandments as a matter of State Policy, and I'll retract the charge that you under-state Arminius' position for your own advantage.

Otherwise, I've called your little "screed" exactly what it is -- Lies.

106 posted on 08/15/2003 6:55:32 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Acknowledge that Arminius specifically stated that the Magistrate was to Legislate and enforce by the Sword obedience to all Ten Commandments as a matter of State Policy, and I'll retract the charge that you under-state Arminius' position for your own advantage.

That was his mistinterpretation of Romans 13. He was wrong. His position was a stain upon the name of Christ. Calvin had the same misinterpretation. BTW enforcing the 10 commandments by the sword and roasting a professed believer in Christ because he claims that infant baptism is a tool of the Devil are two different things, are they not?

Where in the 10 commandments does it grant to the Christian Church or secular governments the power or the right to torture and burn people who disagree with the State's interpretation of theological questions? Where did Arminius advocate torture and execution as a means of bringing people to repentance?

109 posted on 08/15/2003 7:53:13 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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