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To: ultima ratio
To save me the time, and the readers on this post of just copying and posting I decided to give you a link to the arguments presented by the Late Fr. William Most... you will disagree but I think he sums up the argument quite well....showing Vatican II is much more than you say.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/LG603.TXT

Why should I believe you over Fr. Most?
78 posted on 08/01/2003 3:24:26 PM PDT by Saint Athanasius (How can there be too many children? That's like saying there are too many flowers - Mother Theresa)
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To: Saint Athanasius
Why should I believe you over Fr. Most?

You should not believe either, since neither is part of the Magisterium. You should believe Paul VI, who explicitly denied that Vatican 2 taught infallibly.

81 posted on 08/01/2003 3:44:14 PM PDT by traditionalist
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To: Saint Athanasius
I ask again--what is it Vatican II commands us to believe? If you can't answer that simple question--why introduce anything about levels of infallibility or authority? It is a simple question. Most of those who say they support Vatican II have no idea what it wants us to believe except that we should be nice to everybody.
85 posted on 08/01/2003 4:28:54 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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