Why anti-Catholicism remains alive and well

Our Sunday Visitor ^ | July 27, 2003 | Russell Shaw

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Wow, I never thought I would see that here:)

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Because something is wrong when 3 generations of a family comes from catholic schools with the same beliefs about what catholics believe and they are all wrong.

Becky

[Titanites]

Because something is wrong when 3 generations of a family comes from catholic schools with the same beliefs about what catholics believe and they are all wrong.

Yes, something is wrong when this happens. But the Catechism lays out our true belief. If someone is taught something, even in a Catholic school, that is in disagreement with the Catechism, it is wrong.

[Titanites]

But you know from my time spent here on FR I have seen that "anti-catholisism" ALOT of the time, not all, but alot, is no more then someone who disagrees with catholic beliefs, and IMO, that is just not right.

If you look at my posts above you'll see that my beef is not with those who hold beliefs which don't agree with ours, its with people who deliberately misrepresent Catholic belief for the purpose of discrediting the Church.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Well you will have a beef with me then:) Because I believe that what I was taught is what the magistierum wants their members too believe but they have this catechism over here to use when they need it.

It is not misrepresentation for ex-catholics to tell what they were taught, and to believe that is what the RCC wanted them to believe. IT IS FACT.

Becky

[Titanites]

What the Catholic Church believes is in the Catechism. If someone taught you something that is in disagreement, they were wrong. But after being told and then to come back and still claim that the Church believes it, well then you are wrong. And in that case, yes, you are right - my beef would be with you.

[Codie]

I said we whine a lot.I did'nt say we were wrong.

[Polycarp]

It is not misrepresentation for ex-catholics to tell what they were taught,

Maybe not in the sense of being sinful. Its probably just a psychological thing, rationalization/justification.

and to believe that is what the RCC wanted them to believe.

I know lots of folks claim what you claim here.

Usually the fact is that they simply learned NOTHING.

Then they read so much non-Catholic and anti-Catholic crap, they adopt the lies therein as their own memories. Its probably subconscious.

I know this from Catholics like you who left the faith, adopted the anti-Catholic "but this IS what I was taught" crap you describe here, but eventually come to their senses and return to the faith.

Rationalization can do strange things to you.

[Codie]

She is now a grown women,and has no excuse for not exploring the truths of the the Catholic faith.

[dark_lord]

My 2 cents...

The number of offenders often was grossly exaggerated. In reality, Jenkins suggests, probably no more than 2 percent to 3 percent of all priests were involved with minors.

2 to 3 percent of any profession being "involved" with minors is a problem. If it was 2 to 3 percent of teachers, or scoutmasters, or little league coaches -- don't you think this would be an issue? 2 to 3 percent is a lot!!. And at that level I don't think the "number of offenders" is being grossly exaggerated.

Sex abuse by clergy of other denominations was treated as an isolated, individual phenomenon, but in the case of Catholic priests it was presented as a product of the doctrines and structures of the Church.

This is partly due to the fact that the catholic church is the biggest and most hierarchical. It is like the IBM of churches. Where the problem in protestant churches exists tends to be mainly in the big mainline protestant churches that are structurally similar to the catholic churches (hierarchy of bishops, ability to shuffle problem minister between churches, etc.) But most protestant churches have "elders" who will deal pretty quickly with a problematical pastor or minister, and that pastor or minister is not going to have an easy time finding another job -- because the reason for firing is going to be communicated.

This is IMO. Comments?

[Codie]

But most protestant churches have "elders" who will deal pretty quickly with a problematical pastor or minister, and that pastor or minister is not going to have an easy time finding another job -- because the reason for firing is going to be communicated.

Or he can start his own church.What's to stop him?

[dark_lord]

The fact that he needs to attract members. And unless he is going to start some little hole in the wall sect....

The reality is -- firing priests, ministers, and pastors who get sexually involved with minors is absolutely the way to go. Plus they should be charged and prosecuted like any other person. Who the heck does the church hierarchy think they are to cover up for a crime? I don't care what their other God given qualities are like, they are not appropriate as leaders in the Church. Let them go off and be theologians, or missionaries, or run soup kitchens for the homeless. But -- fire them as leaders.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

That's right, I am a grown women, and am responsible for my self. Irealize that when an organization cannot teach it's beliefs in 3 generations the problem is with the organization not the members who learn what they are taught.

Does that not give any of you one iota of concern that the RCC schools cannot teach any better then that? It's just easier to go with the anti-catholic martyrdom:)

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I never said that you said you were wrong, I said I was surprised you admit your a whiner:), hey, that's progess IMO.

Becky

[RobbyS]

Without the right intent, one doesn't get into purgatory

So, what does this have to do with anti-Catholicism? What Protestants and Liberals both hate about the Catholic doctrine is that it contradicts what they have to say and so they try to shut us up. They do have the help of Catholics who want desperately to "fit in" to society.

[B Knotts]

Does that not give any of you one iota of concern that the RCC schools cannot teach any better then that?

Of course it concerns us. Do you not see the threads we post about the crap being taught in liberal Catholic universities, in contradiction to the Magisterium? The same is happening to a somewhat lesser extent in Catholic primary and secondary schools.

[SoothingDave]

And unless he is going to start some little hole in the wall sect....

I hope that's not a reference to what I think it is a reference to. ;-)

SD

[RobbyS]

But most protestant churches have "elders" who will deal pretty quickly with a problematical pastor or minister, and that pastor or minister is not going to have an easy time finding another job -- because the reason for firing is going to be communicated.

I disagree with this theory about how congregational government works. Controversial ministers usually have factions that supports them, so they often leave with a nice severance package and, except in the most clear-cut cases of abuse, find employment elsewhere. But I am afraid that neither of us could produce conclusive evidence of this. No one has done the legwork to see how the thousands of congrehations have handled sexual scandals. My guess is that movement of Protestant clergy more often has to do with the mingling of personal and church funds than with sex.

[Gotterdammerung]

I am interested and think it's time I start RCIA. Know where I can begin in the MD-DC area???

[Onelifetogive]

Without the right intent, one doesn't get into purgatory

#1023 explains how to get into purgutory...It didn't mention "right intent." Normally, babies are Baptized...how do you define a baby having "right intent"?