[AlguyA]

"'choice' is not a work since it is faith that saves us and we choose to believe or not. (Jn.3:36, Rom.4:4-5)"

Sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. If one "chooses" to "believe or not," one is performing a 'work.' -indeed, the biggest 'work' of all.

It seems to me that if one believes the Protestant proclamtion of "faith alone," one perforce must accept the Calvinist concept of irresistable grace.

And I'm Catholic, for Pete's sake.

[drstevej]

***It seems to me that if one believes the Protestant proclamtion of "faith alone," one perforce must accept the Calvinist concept of irresistable grace.***

Good analysis.


***And I'm Catholic, for Pete's sake.***

Would "Pete" be Saint Peter?

[Quester]

Sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. If one "chooses" to "believe or not," one is performing a 'work.' -indeed, the biggest 'work' of all.

You may conclude that belief (faith) is a work, but God declares that it is not a work. He says that it is a gift.

Galatians 2:8-9 For by grace are you saved, through faith, and that, not of ourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.

So who ya gonna believe ?

[fortheDeclaration]

'choice' is not a work since it is faith that saves us and we choose to believe or not. (Jn.3:36, Rom.4:4-5)" Sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever. If one "chooses" to "believe or not," one is performing a 'work.' -indeed, the biggest 'work' of all. It seems to me that if one believes the Protestant proclamtion of "faith alone," one perforce must accept the Calvinist concept of irresistable grace. And I'm Catholic, for Pete's sake.

Sorry if you cannot understand what the Scripture says.

A work is something you can make a claim on (Rom.4:4), but faith is only accepting what is offered (Rom.4:5)

That ones will is active in the choice does not make it a work by God's definition.