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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
My brother has lost the Faith.

How old is he? He may be reacting to the lack of moral credibility of the bishops. Or, he may have lost the faith. It happens. Is he blaming it on the Novus Ordo, like you?

The younger generation can't demand what they haven't experienced.

The Tridentine Mass is not magic. You and the trads seem to think it is.

You really should seek out the Tridentine Mass. Soon. And stop criticizing the Novus Ordo. When celebrated according to the GIRM, it is a beautiful and inspirational liturgy.

The Pope celebrates it, and so do 98% of the rest of the clergy in the world.

134 posted on 07/17/2003 5:59:01 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur; Canticle_of_Deborah
The Pope celebrates it, and so do 98% of the rest of the clergy in the world.

Big flippin' deal.

The Tridentine Mass has been offered a thousandfold more times than the Novus Ordo and has produced a thousandfold more saints.

The Novus Ordo will die long before it even approaches the Tridentine in the number of Masses offered. That is why the Tridentine Mass is the only Mass that requires an Indult. You don't need an indult for a clown Mass, a Dignity Mass, a Life-Teen Mass, a folk Mass, etc. Only the Tridentine requires an Indult.

Why?

135 posted on 07/17/2003 6:12:35 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: sinkspur
How old is he?

34.

Is he blaming it on the Novus Ordo, like you?

He wouldn't know the difference. He is absolutely clueless. If asked he couldn't tell you what a Tridentine was. Despite a Catholic school education he is completely uneducated about the Faith.

The Tridentine Mass is not magic

No, it's not. I never said the Church wouldn't have suffered either if it had kept the Tridentine. The difference is, the Tridentine is the Cipro to the Novus Ordo amoxicillin. You can't cure a life threatening infection with amoxicillin.

You really should seek out the Tridentine Mass

I attended it in the previous town where I lived when it was infrequently offered. There is nothing available locally. I would have to drive hours and that is not something I can do right now.

And stop criticizing the Novus Ordo

I've never blatantly criticized it before but if that's what you want here goes. It is booorrrring, banal, insipid and completely uninspiring. How many great saints has it produced? What's that, exactly zero? Gee, I'm shocked. But yes, it's valid and I respect the feelings of those who have an affinity for it. I've never said it should be outright done away with. If the Tridentine is so unwanted and unpopular, put it side by side in every Church and let the Holy Spirit decide. In twenty years the Novus Ordo will be the novelty. The bishops won't do this of course because they are afraid.

BTW, go to an Episcopalian service this Sunday. Then go to the Novus Ordo. You will find they are identical. Identical.

139 posted on 07/17/2003 6:37:54 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sinkspur
Has the Pope ever offered the Mass accrd to the 1962 Roman Missal? (I mean since V2)I know Card Ratzinger has many times.

It is my understanding he hasn't. If true, it strikes me as odd. I think it would send a wonderful sign were he to offer Mass with the FSSP or the SSPX.

228 posted on 07/18/2003 12:36:35 AM PDT by As you well know...
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