[sinkspur]

Well if everything is supposed to be so great now why is the Church in such disarray?

How is the Church in disarray? Numbers continue to grow, non-believers and non-Catholics continue to convert. Yes, some fall away, but some have always fallen away. My parish is packed to walls at four of the six masses on weekends.

Religion in America, across the board, is not the bulwark it once was.

Bringing back the Latin Tridentine Mass is not going to, all of a sudden, start filling the Churches again. There's not even a demand for the Indult in every diocese.

The answer is, we are becoming more Protestant.

No we're not. You're just filling your head with all of this ultra-trad stuff from the Tradmaster (ultima ratio) and his small band.

Don't think that the small number of trads on this site represent anything more than this site.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Oh I'm fully aware of what's going on out there. My brother has lost the Faith. He informed me last weekend that he no longers considers himself Catholic. He's "spiritual" and doesn't believe in organized religion because it's all about 'guilt'. My own mother who prefers the N.O. can't tolerate all the recent changes. I do remember back when I was young. Even the N.O. then was very different.

I see more Catholics who don't attend Mass, who don't even call themselves Catholic than I care to stomach. My views come from real world experience and are confirmed by what I see on this site.

There's not even a demand for the Indult in every diocese.

So they say. The younger generation can't demand what they haven't experienced. That line is getting tiresome and bogus.

[Thorondir]

How is the Church in disarray?

Well, let's see:

The Sodomites control most of the seminaries, which are nearly empty, many of which have closed down.

Your Amchurch Catholics abort their children at the same rate as the pagans around us.

Your Amchurch Catholics use artificial contraceptives at the same rate as the pagans around us.

Your Amchurch Catholics fornicate at the same rate as the pagans around us.

Your Amchurch Catholics committ adultery at the same rate as the pagans around us.

Your Amchurch Catholics stay away from the sacrament of confession in droves.

Your Amchurch Catholics hardly believe in the real presence in the Blessed Sacrament, which is why they treat Him with such profound disrespect in the Nervous Disorder Messes.

Your Amchurch Catholics, according to YOUR post above, "are woefully ignorant of Scripture, in addition to being woefully ignorant about a lot of other things".

Other than that, gosh, what disarray is she talking about?