New rules for taking communion issued

Chicago Sun-Times ^ | July 17, 2003 | CATHLEEN FALSANI

[JNB]

St. Escriva from what I read got a indult so he could still say the Tridentine mass in private, and he still use the old Canon when he said the Novus Ordo.

I know Opus Dei is controversial, but I think they have done alot of good in the church. Opus Dei have thankfully replaced the Jesuits and other orders that seem to have become modernistic in the church in terms of teaching capacity, and they are loyal and faithful to church teachings, doctrines and dogmas. Based on how the "peace & justice" crowd hates Opus Dei, they must be doing somthing right.

[JNB]

Thankfully or not, Latin and ad orientum, and even kneeling for communion are still very legitimate options in the Novus Ordo. You said in the post this wasnt the "Novus Ordo", but the truth is, it indeed is the Novus Ordo.

[drstevej]

***The dogma in the early church was not as well defined.***

Interesting statement. John 6 is said to teach transubstantiation and yet the Didache is not well defined on the Eucharist.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I've done my own research on Escriva. There is plenty of information out there from people who knew him personally. I don't need to hear it from ultima.

As for the SSPX, I know where the door is and if it gets much worse I'll use it. I can't take much more corruption.

[TradicalRC]

Homosexuals are at the forefront of tearing apart traditional views on family, religion and society, I think it wise to be concerned. Unless of course, you approve of this socially acceptable sin.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I'm sure there are many good people in Opus Dei, including some on this site. I just have no love for Escriva. The man was not well.

[Land of the Irish]

Would that be OK with you, or do you insist, like the SSPX, that the Novus Ordo be suppressed entirely?

I'm not calling for the supression of the Novus Ordo and neither is the SSPX.

That is, I'm not calling for the same magic trick that Paul VI pulled in 1969: Turn out the lights and the "normative" Mass of 1500 years disappears. Turn the lights back on, and, presto Paul VI's Mass is the normative.

His normative Mass has metastasized faster than any cancer known to man, into what you now call "normative". Paul VI's normative Mass did not call for turning the altar around, Mass in the vernaculur, standing for Holy Communion, EEM's, Communion in the hand.

Finally, what's normative about a Mass that has four different Canons.

[sinkspur]

Unless of course, you approve of this socially acceptable sin.

I believe the comment had to do with "homosexual Masses." What, exactly, are those? I'm completely unfamiliar.

[sinkspur]

As for the SSPX, I know where the door is and if it gets much worse I'll use it. I can't take much more corruption.

You'll be jumping from corruption into nuclear waste.

[sinkspur]

I just have no love for Escriva. The man was not well.

So? He's a saint. I think St. Augustine was a little nutty myself, but he's a doctor of the Church.

[TradicalRC]

Sinkspur is right, the Trads here are a mere remnant of Catholicism.

OTOH, he is an excellent representative for mainstream Catholicism.

[sinkspur]

Finally, what's normative about a Mass that has four different Canons.

Two popes say it is. You don't like choice, or options, do you?

[fortunecookie]

These rules already existed. I very much doubt they'll be kept now. We need a return to the communion rail and on the tongue reception. And no ordinary Extraordinary Ministers.

Amen. How many priests have we all heard say it's too difficult to go back to the communion rail (what, with all thoses EM's?), it takes too long (umm, maybe communicants could use that time to .. uh.. pray??), and it's just too old-fashioned. Yeah, that last one made me laugh.

I visited Montreal a couple yrs ago. On Sunday, my son & I made our way on foot to a beautiful church a few blocks from our hotel called Marie, Reine du Monde - Mary, Queen of the World. This mass was celebrated in 3 languages Latin, French and English, all at the same mass. Tourists from all over and locals, we all felt at home. Imagine my surprise when, following the lead of others, we received communion on the tongue kneeling at the communion rail. No exceptions. I had received communion only one other time like that over the last 25yrs and my son, 13 at the time, who had only heard my stories about the way it used to be done, actually got to experience it himself. No EM's. Just the priest, 2 altar BOYS with patens(!). Bells rung at consecration. The mass didn't last any longer than usual. We still talk about it. Our 3 local parishes (now consolidated, we are sure to keep the one dissenter parish in line with the 'new' rules) are like another world. Until recently, no bells, because they scare the children. Now bells are back at all but the kids masses. EM's, mostly women, roaming freely about the altar, doing almost everything the priest used to do. Altar servers - mostly girls.

But I digress, and I could go on and on..

Yes, I very much agree with you.

[Land of the Irish]

Two popes say it is.

There have been 265 popes. I am under no obligation to obey the last two when they clearly and openly contradict their predecessors, many of whom have been declared saints of Holy Mother Church.

Hint: Pope St. Pius V comes to mind.

[FBDinNJ]

I don't really want to get involved in this Donnybrook of a thread but I believe Escriva was actually given permission to say the mass according to the 1962 missal. Opus Dei now tries to hide or cover up this fact.

[fortunecookie]

I was taught to kneel after Holy Communion and then to sit once the Tabernacle door was closed by the priest (now the EEMs).

I was taught this as well.

Last week, out of the blue, the church I attended, not my parish, but one I often attend because it doesn't go after every new fad, instructed everyone to stand from the Lamb of God until after everyone, everyone(!), had received Holy Communion. We could sit, we were told, if we tired, but we weren't supposed to kneel. My son and I were shocked. We arrived just before mass started and had a pew up front. In short, we were the only 2 people kneeling. I have heard of others having to make or enact this kind of silent protest, but I never imagined I would be called upon so unexpectedly. We had visited my sister in Massachusetts the week earlier and knelt as usual at the parish we attend there.

[TradicalRC]

Homosexual Masses are usually called Dignity Masses or some such nonsense. Cardinal George celebrates them every so often. Most telling is that the sin of sodomy is never condemned at these Masses.

Can we have Masses that approve of adultery and greed, too? Just wondering.

[sinkspur]

I am under no obligation to obey the last two

Of course not. That's the essence of the schismatic SSPX. Don't obey the Pope.

[TradicalRC]

I see you've been blindsided.

There was a thread here a week or two ago about a priest in Dallas who surprised his parishioners with a Traditional Mass. Lots of wailing and nashing of teeth over that. I doubt very highly if surprising the parishioners with progressivism will draw any criticism, though.

[Land of the Irish]

I am under no obligation to obey the last two when they clearly and openly contradict their predecessors, many of whom have been declared saints of Holy Mother Church.

You're parsing my statements. Not unexpected.