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To: Pyro7480
While I am very sympathetic to the pro-Tridentine Rite arguments, I am also wary of the SSPX, SSPV, and the sedevacantists.

I'm in your "camp." May I suggest a fantastic book? "The Desolate City - Revolution in the Catholic Church" by Anne Roche Muggeridge. Boy am I learning a lot! I believe the book is out of print, but I got a used copy over the internet (amazon site) for about $5.00 + shipping. Well, well worth the price.

7 posted on 07/15/2003 8:10:06 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
Of course you are in their camp--you make no distinctions and don't trouble yourselves to know the differences. SSPX is not and never has been sedevacantist. Not that this matters with people like yourself. You smear with a broad brush--as does EWTN--which, by the way, is the first to suck up to a famous celebrity like Mel Gibson, despite his adamant traditionalism.
13 posted on 07/15/2003 8:34:35 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: american colleen; ultima ratio
Thanks for your suggestion. I saw another book along those lines that was recently printed by Ignatius Press. It's titled Reform of the Reform? A Liturgical Debate by Fr. Thomas Kocik. I flipped through it recently at a Catholic bookstore. I think one serious advantage of the book is that it has the text of both the Tridentine Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass. Here's the blurb about the book from Ignatius' webpage:

Disturbed by the direction in which the post Vatican II liturgical reforms have moved, two fictitious representatives of mutually antagonistic movements debate the remedy for “correct” liturgical reform.

This unique work presents a debate between a “traditionalist” who argues for a return to the pre-Vatican II liturgy, and a “reformist” (no liberal himself) who advocates a new liturgical reform more in keeping with what the Council fathers had in mind. They bring to the debate the insights of renowned authorities on the liturgy, including Cardinal Ratzinger, Msgr. Klaus Gamber, Michael Davies, Fr. Brian Harrison and Fr. Aidan Nichols.

This book is written for anyone interested in the Church’s liturgy, and the controversies surrounding the liturgical renewal. It is both a primer for those who lack the theological and liturgical expertise to articulate their dissatisfaction with the state of the liturgy, and an excellent resource for those specialists who would appreciate having a single volume for consulting salient points from numerous authorities.

“Fr. Kocik presents an enlightening and fair debate between traditionalists and reformers on how to resolve the current liturgical crisis in the Catholic Church.”

—Fr. Kenneth Baker, S.J., Editor, Homiletic & Pastoral Review

Fr. Thomas Kocik, the author of a book on Apostolic Succession, is a member of the Priestly Society of Cardinal Newman.

18 posted on 07/15/2003 8:47:43 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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