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Yes, that is exactly what the Reformation was all about. In fact, Luther lamented later that now there was a theology for every head. Everyone's presupositions trumped the truth promised by Christ and preserved in His Church. And now chaos reigns. Drive down the road to work today and chech out how many churches you see. He prayed that we be ONE, so that the world would know that the Father sent the Son. I wonder why they aren't real impressed with Christianity. Could it be the chaos and division?

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***Drive down the road to work today and chech out how many churches you see. He prayed that we be ONE, so that the world would know that the Father sent the Son. I wonder why they aren't real impressed with Christianity. Could it be the chaos and division? ***

I guess that would depend on your definition of ONE. Did Jesus specifically mean one organization headquartered in Rome using only the Latin language? Or perhaps, did He mean one in spirit and belief? I guess Total depravity just hasn't gone out of style yet. If you stick around here long enough you'll notice that that"ONE" Roman Catholic Church is quite fragmented internally. No, it is when the presuppositions of men begin incorporating doctrinal practices that clearly violate God's revelation that the visible "catholic" Church suffers. Truly Patty, if the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church is what you describe it to be would it truly be experiencing the contemporary scandals it now faces? That Total Depravity thing just won't go away.