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To: narses
I believe the point he was trying to make is that excepting in the Latin Mass, Latin is DEAD....it is not spoken as a language by any country on the earth today.

That is one serious mistake that was made by the Latin Church, and one of the main reasons for the Protestant Reformation.

Also, that point is one of the most valid testimonies to the validity of the Orthodox Faith...we didn't have the abuses the West had, because we did not depart from the Original faith of the Fathers..hence, NO REFORMATION was needed.......
22 posted on 07/06/2003 8:38:10 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 ("believing in the 7 Ecumenical Councils!")
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To: TexConfederate1861
I believe the point he was trying to make is that excepting in the Latin Mass, Latin is DEAD....it is not spoken as a language by any country on the earth today.

Its close enough to Italian, Spanish, French, and Rumanian - at least as much as Church Slavonic is to Russian, Serbian, Ukranian, etc.

That is one serious mistake that was made by the Latin Church, and one of the main reasons for the Protestant Reformation.

Why is the scrupulous observance of the traditions of our Fathers a mistake? Doesn't Orthodoxy believe in Ecclesial Tradition?

Latin was used in the west because the west spoke Latin. That non-Latin peoples came to inhabit some of this area (England, Belgium, western Germany, Austria) was due to invasions after the Church was already established with a Latin ritual. The Latin came first.

In other parts of the world, the quarreling tribes in places like Africa have long praised Latin as a unifying and civilizing force that gave them peace as Christian brothers together at Church, chanting the same Creed and Prayers in one tongue, even if outside Church they were rival tribes. This is a "mistake"?

we didn't have the abuses the West had, because we did not depart from the Original faith of the Fathers..hence, NO REFORMATION was needed.......

You don't need a reformation if you are willing to undergo an internal theological re-ordering all on your own. Find me an Orthodox Christian who denied the Immaculate Conception prior to say 1700. Or one who accepted divorce, the dissolution of valid marriages, and subsequent remarriage in the Church, or the use of artifical contraceptives prior to the past 100 or 200 years.

I have to ask about your thinking the west "needed" a "reformation". Do you really believe the Reformers carried away their lands to something closer to the Orthodox Church than the Catholic Church is?

30 posted on 07/06/2003 10:10:56 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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