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To: ultima ratio
There are times when you have had legitimate complaints but what the hell does Rome (trusting that you mean the Vatican) have to do with the renegade Bishop Fiorenza? He is AmChurch personified. Like that scum Trautman in Erie, PA, or that other scum Adamec in Johnstown-Altoona, he is getting back in shape for major league defiance of Rome when the Mass document is issued by Arinze, Ratzinger and another come fall.

The ones who walked out of this priests Mass are getting in practice too. They remind me of Planned Barrenhood in a tizzy over the possibility that someone hostile to infant slaughter might make it onto the SCOTUS and reposess the stolen constitution massacred in Roe vs. Wade. No less than you an I, the bishop and those parishioners KNOW that the suppression of the Tridentine Mass is another instance of stolen goods.

I would burn Fiorenza, Trautman, Adamec, McPhoney and all of their ilk at the stake in a New York minute. I hope you would too. I would dig up Bernardin and burn him posthumously. Unfortunately, it is less practically possible to adminster real justice nowadays. Don't blame the victim.

If your computer skills exceed mine (even Ronald Reagan in his current condition has better skills than I) you might be able to find the transcript of Fiorenza's deposition on covering for pedophiles and other exotic flora and fauna among his priests in which Fiorenza essentially smart mouths the deposition-taking lawyer and says, hey, it ain't no big deal and I will be long retired before this gets resolved.

58 posted on 07/05/2003 11:38:02 AM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! (National Committee to Identify Uninformed Emotion Posing as Justice))
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To: BlackElk
Can't Father Zigrang get a canon lawyer and take this to the Vatican?
60 posted on 07/05/2003 11:54:12 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: BlackElk
Where do you think the Novus Ordo came from? It was concocted by Rome for the appeasement of Protestants. Do you think these bishops have sprung spontaneously from the head of Zeus? Do you imagine Rome didn't know their mindset when they were elevated, that they were not the products of seminaries and theological innovations as remote from Catholic Tradition as their Baptist or Lutheran counterparts?

Rome supports the Fiorenzas, the Adamecs, the Mahonys, the Kaspers, at every turn--to the detriment of the faith. That has been made painfully clear. Only when these men are outed by the media does Rome take belated action. Otherwise it supports their endless chipping-away at the Catholic faith, first by offering only weak-kneed reproof, then buckling-under to the radical changes--all in the direction of aligning the Catholic liturgy with Protestant theology.

Besides, look at what Rome actually does--not what it says--even in an encyclical. It complains about liturgical abuses, then organizes outdoor papal Masses rife with the worst abuses. It gave the red hat to Kasper--but it fired Bisig and his traditional theologians. It puts out a barrage of p.r. praise for the traditional Mass--but will not lift a pinky to make it more accessible. All this should tell you something.

You want to blame the second-tier of management. But the big boss is the real problem. He has spent twenty-five years giving out mixed signals, saying one thing, doing another. Even the encyclical on the Eucharist was a repetition of a declaration he had made twenty years ago. All that while he has taken no action to move the Church around in a more orthodox direction.
62 posted on 07/05/2003 12:18:34 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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