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Well, I majored in history and teach it for a living, and I can tell you that the "treason" defense does not work for Elizabeth I, were the Irish committing treason for fighting against a religion being forced on them? Henry *claimed* that Moore & the others were committing treason as well.

Now, since you want to trespass into French history, you should know that the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre was instigated by Catherine d'Medici, who had failed to support the Pope in the crusade against the Muslims, for the sake of her own hold on power NOT because of anything to do with the Church.

Protestants have no right to point any fingers at Catholics for being "bloody" when one considers the words of the "founding father" of the Protestant movement, Martin Luther, who said of the Catholic Church that he wanted to, "bring matters to a conclusion, no longer by words but by steel...and wash our hands in their blood". yeah-real non-violent.

BTW, I think like most people, I would definitely say that accusing the Catholic Church of being the bloodiest in the world is a perfect definition of Catholic-bashing.

Protestantism, enshrining the idea that everything is relative, everyone can set their own moral standards, and everyone can do 'what is right in their own eyes' is universally regarded as the begining of modern liberalism, go to any university in the country to check this out. Oh, and BTW, Mr "Confederate", Jefferson Davis was educated in a Catholic school, the Holy See was the first foreign government to send an envoy to the southern nation and Blessed Pope Pius IX sent Jefferson Davis a care package while he was in prison after the war, which included a rosary (I know, I've seen it).

--Try to know who you're friends are before you turn on them please. And a Texan too (I can't believe it), have you ever noticed that ALL of our great state's oldest and most cherished buildings are *Catholic Churches*? Please, please

Friend:

I am NOT your enemy. Texas has an old and very noble Catholic Heritage. In regards to Elizabeth, again..you must realize that RELIGON and politics were VERY much intwined together in those days, not like it is today at all. Elizabeth held no animosity towards Catholics, but wanted to keep her position as "Head of the Church" in England. There were several very real threats to her rule, and they were directly instigated by Catholic leaders who had lost some of their positions, and blessed by the POPE himself! By definition, under English Law, if a person did not accept the act of Supremecy, then it was TREASON.

As for France, well, wether Catherine de Medici instigated it or not, the Catholic League and the POPE celebrated and had a medal struck in honor of it.

You misunderstand me. I am NO Catholic Basher. I am a historian, and just like my own church, (Russian Orthodox) has issues it must own up to and face, so Catholics must realize that in the past, the church was overzealous in it's search and prosecution of heretics.

Also: I am VERY familiar with Jefferson Davis and his history, and most of my family are Catholics as well.
I am a Civil War reenactor, so I keep up with such things.

Protestantism, enshrining the idea that everything is relative, everyone can set their own moral standards, and everyone can do 'what is right in their own eyes' is universally regarded as the begining of modern liberalism, go to any university in the country to check this out.

John Calvin

Jonathan Edwards

Charles Spurgeon

Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Al Mohler

Now, if Protestantism teaches that "everyone can set their own moral standards", then surely you can come up with quotations to that specific effect, that there exists no moral law binding on everyone, from each of these five men.

If you have any trouble, surely a visit to a random university can help.