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To: ksen
It is impossible to understand Jesus or his message until we come to a correct understanding of the events that fashioned such persecution of the Jews by the Gentile believers and which contributed to the alteration of the faith of Jesus as can be found to have existed in the first century of Second Temple Judaism.

What persecution, pray? The only persecution in those times was the systematic and vicious persecution of Jewish believers in Yeshua by their fellow Jews. Which culminated, you may recall, in the brutal murder of the head of the Church of Jerusalem, James the Just.

Exactly as was foretold in Matthew xxiii:34-39

270 posted on 07/01/2003 11:44:59 PM PDT by John Locke
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To: John Locke
The only persecution in those times was the systematic and vicious persecution of Jewish believers in Yeshua by their fellow Jews.

I think he's talking about two different points in time. I think it means that you can't understand the persecution that went on later, such as the holocaust, until you understand the changes that were made to Yeshua's faith. The faith that he and the other apostles practiced during the first century, which was Judaism. That once you understand why these changes were made to their faith, by those that came later in time, then you can begin to understand the persecution that led to the holocaust.

272 posted on 07/01/2003 11:53:35 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) ( Luke 16:17 -- And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.)
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To: John Locke
What persecution, pray? The only persecution in those times was the systematic and vicious persecution of Jewish believers in Yeshua by their fellow Jews. Which culminated, you may recall, in the brutal murder of the head of the Church of Jerusalem, James the Just.

Exactly as was foretold in Matthew xxiii:34-39

Good morning John!

I just thought I'd let you know that I'm not the author of the piece that started this thread. In fact, I am in opposition to the author. I am in agreement with your statement above.

277 posted on 07/02/2003 5:24:08 AM PDT by ksen (HHD;FRM - Entmoot or Bust!)
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