RECOVERING THE TRUTH & A COMING TO A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF JESUS

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[Invincibly Ignorant]

I suspect Ignorant's version of "Torah" is the one that contains both the written and the oral laws.

I suspect you to be wrong. But then again, you're a legend in your own mind.

[Alex Murphy]

Let's wait and see if any Protestant has a good answer first.

Post #45. Have you been sleeping at the wheel again?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Isn't it Paul that is most maligned in the Judaistic circles? I forget how you regard Paul now. Was that he hijacked the Gospel, or that we merely misunderstand what he was teaching?

Don't be disengenuous. You didn't forget. You know I accept his teachings.

[milan]

Maybe so! Yet, Invincibly Ignorant AKA Steven, has raised a point (even though he is apostate to the Christian faith) that every one of us who believe in the absolute inerrancy of the NT have to ask ourselves. How do we know that all 27 books and no more and no less are the inerrant word of God and the scores of other writings bearing Apostolic names are not?

Why are we right and Invincibly wrong?

I will answer that for you. How do we know that we are right? Because my God created the heavens, the earth, and everything in it in a matter of 6 days. As humans, we have spent our entire existance studying it, and that just produces more questions than answers. God is well beyond our simple human brains. I think He can put a collection of books together and ensure they maintain their integrity throughout history. Never know the mind of God, but I think we have what He wants us to have. I will put my faith in Him. Having said that, the other books that were not in the Bible and you question why; they are extremely interesting to read anyways. Point is: "love the Lord God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself" (paraphrase). That should get us through, no?

[Alex Murphy]

I suspect you to be wrong.

Thanks for the correction.

But then again, you're a legend in your own mind.

Have I ever said otherwise? :)

[SoothingDave]

Post #45. Have you been sleeping at the wheel again?

Huh? Post 45 was Steven encouraging me to go ahead and answer. This is not the same as a Protestant answering because #1, it wasn't an attempt to answer and #2, Steven has moved beyond the definition of a "Protestant," at least as I reckon things.

SD

[ThomasMore]

You are very well versed. 99.9% of the Christians out there are not. They don't even know these apocryphal writings exist. Their ignorance is bliss.

If you are talking about the deutercanonicals as apocrypha; sorry, I accept them as scripture, as did the church up until the reformation.

I realize we will disagree on this fact, but without an organic authority capable of stating that these writings are the inerrant word of God, we have nothing more than a bunch of ancient MSS.

[SoothingDave]

I will answer that for you. How do we know that we are right? Because my God created the heavens, the earth, and everything in it in a matter of 6 days. As humans, we have spent our entire existance studying it, and that just produces more questions than answers.

People spend their entire lives studying the Talmud and the Koran (among others) and they produce endless questions as well. That's not an argument for canonization of a specific set of books.

God is well beyond our simple human brains. I think He can put a collection of books together and ensure they maintain their integrity throughout history. Never know the mind of God, but I think we have what He wants us to have. I will put my faith in Him.

So you know that these particular 27 books are authentic because God is capable of doing such a thing? Is that your argument? Do you feel a burning in the bosom when you read them?

SD

[ken5050]

Roses are reddish
Violets are blueish
If it wasn't for Jesus
We'd all be Jewish...

[RnMomof7]

I can tell you're a Calvinist. They the most loving ones. All in the name of compassion. Lol.

No we are the ones that refuse to compromise the gospel to get along, , we are the ones that think truth is more important than friendship, We are the ones that will with consistancy confront error and hereies. That is real love .

In Him I have forgiveness of sins, and Life Everlasting. Can you say the same for your beliefs?
Yes.

Which god was it that you found that peace in? The triune God of the bible or the Modilist god of the oneness docrtine. They are two different Gods and two different Jesus's. You may need to be "saved" again by the new Jesus

[nobdysfool]

I've seen enough. Your arrogance and superior attitude are obvious. I have no desire to waste my time on someone who thinks he has a corner on the truth, nor will I waste my time trying to refute this false gospel. Don't worry, the door won't hit me in the butt on the way out...

[ksen]

No, I really did forget. It must be OLD REGGIE that doesn't like all of Paul's writings.

I may be and do lots of things, but I won't intentionally misrepresent what you believe. That's why I asked for clarification.

[RnMomof7]

Obviously you didn't read it. So I will post it. Your attempt at sounding intelligent put the truth in the backseat once again.

Ahhh your cut and paste is longer than mine so you are smarter???

LOL

Do you every wonder how your cult fell upon a truth that has been missed by men more learned than you?

[Alex Murphy]

Oops -

Post 46. I blame the press. I was misquoted!

[Invincibly Ignorant]

No we are the ones that refuse to compromise the gospel to get along, , we are the ones that think truth is more important than friendship, We are the ones that will with consistancy confront error and hereies. That is real love .

And I'm sure you'll keep telling each other that at your pep rallies. Lol.

Which god was it that you found that peace in? The triune God of the bible or the Modilist god of the oneness docrtine. They are two different Gods and two different Jesus's. You may need to be "saved" again by the new Jesus

Oh I realize they are different. One is the pagan man/god. Such as calvinists worship. The created instead of the Creator. Comes from an inherited polytheistic Greek mindset. A gift to you from orthodoxy. A godless torahless makeover of the true Messiah of Israel. I'll stick with mine thank you.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Do you every wonder how your cult fell upon a truth that has been missed by men more learned than you?

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I've seen enough. Your arrogance and superior attitude are obvious. I have no desire to waste my time on someone who thinks he has a corner on the truth, nor will I waste my time trying to refute this false gospel. Don't worry, the door won't hit me in the butt on the way out...

There's that Calvinistic love again. What was that again? The Comfort of Calvinism? Lol. Bye.

[jboot]

If you are talking about the deutercanonicals as apocrypha

Actually, I was rather harsh in pursuit of a point and should rephrase myself: although I don't consider the deutercanonicals to have the same weight as the common Protestant canon, neither do I find them to be spurious or even necessarily uninspired. (Here comes the swarm! I'm on your side, guys!) The lack of weightiness is a result of their omission from the Hebrew scripture.

[RnMomof7]

If you are talking about the deutercanonicals as apocrypha; sorry, I accept them as scripture, as did the church up until the reformation.

As you know they were not always accepted by the church as doctrinal , but as holy writings, even Jerome did not want them in the canon. But that is another discussion