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RECOVERING THE TRUTH & A COMING TO A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF JESUS
Bet Emet Ministries ^ | Unknown | Craig Lyons

Posted on 07/01/2003 10:22:12 AM PDT by ksen

RECOVERING THE TRUTH & A COMING TO A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF JESUS

Jesus and all his followers were Jews who were faithful to Biblical Judaism and never intended to separate from or start a new religion; after their deaths the Gentile Christian church will condemn the Jewish Christians as heretics...in time fruit of the Jewish Church (Gentile Christianity) will destroy it's mother

We have a unique paradox in Biblical history; one which touches every follower of Jesus yet today and which reaches to the very core of our own culture and time. It is impossible to understand Jesus or his message until we come to a correct understanding of the events that fashioned such persecution of the Jews by the Gentile believers and which contributed to the alteration of the faith of Jesus as can be found to have existed in the first century of Second Temple Judaism. As stated earlier the first and greatest division in the early church concerned the relationship of the followers of Jesus to Judaism; it shaped everything that was to follow. One of the greatest problems facing Christianity today is how to reconcile what it has become with G-d's intended vision for the Gentile nations of the world whereby they become part of the Israel of G-d and not "replace" it with a religion of their own creation. The answers for such a problem come only when one personally acquaints himself with an unbiased presentation of the facts of the tragic events of this part of Biblical history and traces the repercussions of such events down through the corridors of history and ultimately seeing the shock waves from them that are present in our own religious beliefs systems and cultures of today.

Today many scholars tell us the truth today about the early church and courageously break from "church traditions" and "mind control" to present the facts concerning these "events" and the corruption of the early faith of the historical Jesus by the Gentile "converts" who would later steer the direction of this "faith" throughout recorded history. It is so simple today to find this information, but sadly few look or even know the need to see if "they be in the faith." That being the case, we accept the "spin" of religious leaders down through history and the real message of Jesus is never heard, or at best, is overlooked for more "orthodox teachings" espoused which have taken it's place. Keith Akers, in his The Lost Religion of Jesus, states the case as well as any. Jewish Christianity consisted of those early Christians who followed the teachings of Jesus, as they understood him, and also remained loyal to the Jewish law of Moses as they understood it. Messianic Judaism was not to replace Judaism with a new faith; it was the goal and zenith for which the prophets wrote and hoped. This simple statement is of profound importance, because the Jewish Christians were eventually rejected both by orthodox Judaism and by orthodox Gentile Christianity. The understanding of the Jewish follower of Jesus was not that of orthodox Christianity (as it came to be where Jesus is seen more like the sun-g-dmen of the Gentile nations than a human messiah). Likewise the Jewish follower of Jesus possessed an understanding of the law of Moses that was the same as orthodox Judaism, but yet this view would later be rejected under the influence of Paul and his churches. Jerome's celebrated comment in the fourth century summarizes this dual rejection: "As long as they seek to be both Jews and Christians, they are neither Jews nor Christians" [Letter 112] (Akers, The Lost Religion of Jesus, p. 7).

The Jewish Christians considered Jesus to be the "true prophet" who would lead the people back to the eternal law that commanded simple living and nonviolence. They saw in Jesus their hopes for physical redemption and the fulfillment of the prophets. It was their hope that the Law would go forth from Zion with Jesus at its head as the long awaited Messiah and King of Israel. It was their hope that the enemies of Israel would be vanquished by the word of this anointed one of the LORD as taught in the Psalms of Solomon (no not the psalms you are familiar with but a separate Jewish books that was recognized by Jews as authoritative in the first century). The law, which was cherished by all G-dfearing Jews, had been given to Moses; indeed, it had existed from the beginning of the world, and was intended to be cherished and observed by both Jew and non-Jew alike because in the Commandments one finds the unique Covenant stipulations of his Covenant before G-d. In sharp contrast with the gentile Christian movement, which emerged in the wake of Paul's teaching, Jewish Christianity strove to make the Jewish law stricter than the Jewish tradition seemed to teach ("you have heard it said but I say unto you...'much more'"). Such was the Jesus' love for G-d and His Word. But this cannot be said for the Gentile churches which strove to find ways to lay aside the law for the laxity that was taught under the disguise of "grace." In other words, the non-Jews loved the large "gray areas" that came from the teaching of Paul and others who negated the Law through their own personal "revelations" and their own personal "gospels" (Paul is found saying in Rom 2:16 16: In the day when G-d shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel and again in 2 Tim 2:8 8: Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel). It is a little early in this article to address this concept but if you study continues you will reach a point in your understanding and knowledge where you will see beyond any doubt that the "gospel of Paul" replaced the "gospel of Jesus and Judaism."

Jewish Christianity is the blind spot in virtually all accounts of Jesus. Everyone agrees that Jesus was a Jew and that his initial followers were Jews. Yet of the thousands of books written about Jesus, almost none acknowledge the central importance of Jewish Christianity; at least until the end of the previous century and the beginning of the present one. That was true up until the latter part of the last century when Jewish, as well as European scholars began to reevaluate the Jewish Jesus and contrast the Historical Jesus with the Christ of Faith. There are many who are eager to focus specifically on the Jewishness of Jesus, until they get to the point of examining those of his followers who, like their teacher, were also Jewish, and in doing so see for themselves that actually nothing really changed within this community of the closest followers of Jesus until the early fourth century when Rome would effectively destroy the Jewish "followers of Jesus" by declaring them official heretics. The power of Rome would propagate a Gentile understanding and not a Jewish understanding of Jesus (see Constantine's Easter letter if you have any doubts).

The "Jewishness" of these early Christians does not refer to their ethnic group or nationality, but rather to their beliefs. Paul was a convert to Judaism (H. Maccoby, The Mythmaker, Paul And The Invention Of Christianity) and only later converted to Judaism; first a Sadducee, and after rejection by the Chief Priest he turned to the Pharisees, again only to be rejected by them for his prior cruelty to them as an agent of the Temple police who routed them out and killed them (the Messianic believing strict branch of the Pharisees called Nazarenes/Essenes). Paul also preaches freedom from the law and therefore explicitly rejects Jewish beliefs. Paul, and some of the other Jews who became Christians, renounced the law of Moses and, therefore, were not part of Jewish Christianity. The churches of Paul today (vast majority of Christianity as it exists today) lay outside the true faith of Jesus and will continue to do so unless they encounter the truth about this man of Galilee and the truth about their own religious history.

Without understanding Jewish Messianic Judaism or "intended Christianity", we cannot understand the historical Jesus let alone the earliest church nor the corruption of it within the New Testament correctly. Lacking this knowledge we are doomed to misinterpret most of what we read in the New Testament and our worship let alone our conduct will be in error...much of which is defined as sin in the Torah.


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Theology; Worship
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To: jude24
Except I have.

Lol. It's a mystery.

241 posted on 07/01/2003 7:25:34 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: A_Thinker
I believe that you stated that you accept the teaching/writings of Paul.

If so, then what of Philippians 2 ...
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

242 posted on 07/01/2003 7:28:23 PM PDT by A_Thinker
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To: A_Thinker
Also, once again, ... how is Yeshua God's only begotten son ?

243 posted on 07/01/2003 7:31:47 PM PDT by A_Thinker
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To: A_Thinker
Also, once again, ... how is Yeshua God's only begotten son ?

You tell me for a change.

245 posted on 07/01/2003 7:33:52 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
HMM. Let's see. Who is a friendly ,safe poster here that won't try to beat me up, tonight? I know. I pick STEVEN!

It's called faith, buddy:') You either believe that God will not allow His word to be corrupted or you don't.

246 posted on 07/01/2003 7:57:36 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
It's called faith, buddy:') You either believe that God will not allow His word to be corrupted or you don't.

That's true. Now all we gotta do is decide what's His word and what isn't.

247 posted on 07/01/2003 8:00:57 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Also, once again, ... how is Yeshua God's only begotten son ?

You tell me for a change.


That which is begotten has the nature of the begettor.

248 posted on 07/01/2003 8:03:35 PM PDT by A_Thinker
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To: CindyDawg
If you want to believe on one hand that orthodox figures didn't get it right with Perpetual Virginity, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Papacy, apostolic succession, on and on and on and on and on. Yet, on the other hand, you want to believe God guided their hand flawlessly as they translated the translations of the translations go ahead.
249 posted on 07/01/2003 8:05:36 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: A_Thinker
That which is begotten has the nature of the begettor.

Says you.

250 posted on 07/01/2003 8:06:54 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
And what do you make of Yeshua's prayer (verse 5) here ...
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

251 posted on 07/01/2003 8:15:42 PM PDT by A_Thinker
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To: Invincibly Ignorant; A_Thinker
That which is begotten has the nature of the begettor.

Says you.

I was a heavy investor in the American Kennel Club. I'm wiped out - my stock is completely worthless now, and it's all your fault.

253 posted on 07/01/2003 8:30:43 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: A_Thinker
When Jesus says that he "had" the glory for which he no prays, he is merely asking for the glory which he knew was prepared for him by God from the beginning. that glory existed in God's plan, and in that sense Yeshua already "had" it. Note that Yeshua did not say, "Give me back" or "restore" to me the glory which I had when I was alive with you before my birth." This notion would have been completly foreign to Judaism. It is quite unecessary
and wrong to read Gentile ideas into the texts of Scripture
when we can make good sense of them as they stand in their Jewish environment. The onus is on those who believe in literal preexistence to demonstrate that the texts cannot be explained within their own Jewish context. And it should be remembered that the Hebrew Boible, which has much to say in anticipation of the coming Son of God, makes no statement to imply that the Messiah was God destined to arrive froma personal pre-birth existence in heaven. The idea that God can be born as a man is alien to the Jewish environment in which Jesus taught. A revolution would have been required for the introduction of such a novel concept.
254 posted on 07/01/2003 8:31:46 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Alex Murphy
I was a heavy investor in the American Kennel Club. I'm wiped out - my stock is completely worthless now, and it's all your fault.

I'm sure this is supposed to be profound with a dash of humor. (no matter how feeble)

255 posted on 07/01/2003 8:33:14 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
And it should be remembered that the Hebrew Boible, which has much to say in anticipation of the coming Son of God, makes no statement to imply that the Messiah was God destined to arrive froma personal pre-birth existence in heaven.

You've read it in the original yiddish?

256 posted on 07/01/2003 8:49:30 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Alex Murphy
You've read it in the original yiddish?

No I thought a popeye pronunciation would spice things up.

258 posted on 07/01/2003 8:53:00 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: A_Thinker
So, to summarize ... you believe that you can interpret the text of Philippians 2:5-11 such that it supports your position, ... but, to do so, you must twist the text such that it says something totally different than what the plain meaning of the text appears to be.

That you can do such is noteworthy ...

Calm down. I think the same of your interpretation.

259 posted on 07/01/2003 8:55:56 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: A_Thinker
I'd like to recommend a very good book. "The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture". After reading that those wispers might go quiet.
260 posted on 07/01/2003 9:00:24 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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