Posted on 07/01/2003 10:22:12 AM PDT by ksen
30-40 years isn't a lot compared to eternity. Um, He had a lot of other things to do then, what with setting up His new Church and whatnot. Yeah, that's it.
Also, the Roman legions didn't have carriers to take them there, they had to march.
SD
But it was damaged when he took it on? And at that instant it became undamaged?
It had to go through Purgatory first, but yes. That's about it. Then again, I'm just a simple Steeler fan, not a trained theologian.
SD
Did the come from Egypt via Sinai? ;o)
Did you just throw in the terrible towel? ;o)
No, via Alaska and the North Pole. Ya know. The scenic route.
SD
The pre tribes see it as an actual temple with sacrifices looking BACK at the cross and not foreword to it as the old temple sacrifices did.
That particular scripture is what made me consider the A mil position. As to believe that there will ever be GOD ORDAINED sacrifices again is contrary to the NT.
For the week, yep. Though I was only half-kidding in the lst post. The human nature would indeed be redeemed/restored/perfected upon its uniting with the divine nature. Cause the idea of anything imperfect or unclean uniting with God is impossible.
Have a good weekend, y'all.
SD
Wow when has dave ever admitted he wasn't a trained theologian?
Time to take a trip to the Catholic Advent site. lol
Excellent point..you would make a fine protestant *grin*
May I suggest that it was not a sacrifice in the manner of the animals , but rather it was a willing offering that laid down His life
Jhn 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
I'm pretty sure he was human...
In this context I find this portion of the verse very interesting. You'll note that he doesn't say he received this commandment from scripture, but rather from God.
Agreed. But, He was also the "lamb which was slain:"
John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the
Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
1 Corinthians 5:7
Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without
Yeast-;as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been
sacrificed.
DG
I quoted that verse last week, on this thread or a different one. The sacrifice of the Passover lamb was a remembrance, not an atoning sacrifice.
Those Passover lambs after the first, or initial ones, while still in Egypt. That lamb could be seen as an atoning or "cleansing" sacrifice (before the Tabernacle, or Temple, or even Altar) since the blood of the lamb was put on the doorposts, probably prefiguring the blood sprinkled by the High priest, for the cleansing of the Holy of Holies, etc.
Exodus 12:
7 Then they are to
take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of
the houses where they eat the lambs.
Of course, there was a dual purpose--as "a sign" so that they would not be killed (by the final plague):
12 "On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every
firstborn-both men and animals-and I will bring judgment on all the gods
of Egypt. I am the LORD . 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the
houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No
destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.
They were saved "by the blood of the lamb." Just so, the "blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin." [1 John 1:7]
DG
Which brings us to the realm of speculation rather than of concrete fact. Scripture says explicitly that it is a remembrance.
This day shall be for you a memorial day, and you shall keep it as a feast to the LORD; throughout your generations you shall observe it as an ordinance for ever. (Exodus 12:14)
There is nothing here indicating that the offering of the lamb for passover, even the first one passover in Egypt, was an atoning sacrifice.
I agree with your point about it being a "sign".
Technically, I agree. Although, atonement basically means a covering, and one could look at the blood as being the covering for Israel, the firstborn of YHWH. An interesting study.
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