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To: Hermann the Cherusker; MarMema; RnMomof7; RussianConservative; OrthodoxPresbyterian; FormerLib
I don't think there was anything morally wrong with the burnings of the middle ages by the Catholic Church...

No, your church never does, contrary to the squeaky little apologies they emit when confronted with the truth by civilized people.

Funny, though, how the pope only apologizes to those who are long dead and whose Roman persecutors are safely in their graves. This is why he won't apologize to the Serbian Orthodox for Rome's murder of two million Serbs under an Ustashe Catholic genocide so brutal that even the Nazis were appalled by them. Many of the victims and their persecutors are still living so he'll ignore them and continue with his little fake apologies to those dead for many centuries. Except for making a saint of a viciously insane Ustashe killer at just the right time to encourage the resurgence of the Ustashe under Rome's banner. Maybe John-Paul's hoping to finish them all off before he goes to his final reward.

One should keep firmly in mind that the Inquisition was aimed squarely at correcting wayward Catholics, not the faithful of other religions.

Certainly this does not address the central issues in the Spanish Inquisition. A substantial number of those burned were Jews who had been forcibly converted to Romanism (if not killed outright). They were tortured and burned for showing the least sign of observing any portion of their Jewish traditions. Or upon mere suspicion or idle accusation of Jewish practice. But then, you are technically correct: since Rome forcibly baptized them, they were Catholics and were being "corrected" by the Roman bonfires.

And some people think Rome doesn't have a sense of humor.
644 posted on 07/09/2003 6:35:35 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush; MarMema
This is why he won't apologize to the Serbian Orthodox for Rome's murder of two million Serbs under an Ustashe Catholic genocide so brutal that even the Nazis were appalled by them.

I'll add my two cents to this discussion as soon as I am able. But that said, FWIW, neither will our own US Government "apologize to the Serbs".

Although our own "genocide" against the Serbs was rather paltry by comparison -- we "did our best" to limit "civilian casualties", as much as you can "limit" civilian casualties when you drop 2,000-pound bombs on Orthodox Serbs who were after all (and I say so without pardoning in any way the inhumane brutalities of Warfare), responding to anti-Serb homicide raids by the Albanian Kosovar Drug Mafia.

All the same, I have to say... whether Hitler or Clinton, whether 1941 or 1999, the Western Nations seem to have acquired a nasty and deplorable habit of ordering the carpet-bombing of Serbia on Palm Sunday, of all days.

Hitler can scarcely earn a lower place in Hell; the bottom floor is reserved for Stalin and Satan alone. But Clinton must have at least taken himself down a few notches by that particular Willful Repetition of History, this time around as both Tragedy and Farce.

If memory serves, GWB, I believe your one-time electoral Preference was a Mr. Patrick J. Buchanan. And if memory serves, Mr. Buchanan always opposed the NATO assault on the Serbs.

A position morally superior to both his fellow "Catholic" Ustashe, and our own Department of War ("Defense" is simply the wrong term, in this case).

Would I ever vote for him? No. I'm a Libertarian. But Buchanan definitely had (and has) his good points.

653 posted on 07/09/2003 10:28:41 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done our Duty)
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To: George W. Bush; MarMema; RnMomof7; RussianConservative; OrthodoxPresbyterian
This is why he won't apologize to the Serbian Orthodox for Rome's murder of two million Serbs under an Ustashe Catholic genocide so brutal that even the Nazis were appalled by them.

I really wasn't interested in going into the Ustashe at this time, but why don't we start off by asking that you reliably document the number of victims you claim here (2,000,000!) and Rome's "complicity" in their murder. I won't accept Edumund Black and the like as worthwile historians in defense of your position either. It would be interesting to see if you can quote any actual source documents abotu what you wish to believe here, as opposed to historians quoting each other.

Except for making a saint of a viciously insane Ustashe killer at just the right time to encourage the resurgence of the Ustashe under Rome's banner.

Can you name the people killed by Archbishop Stepanic?

A substantial number of those burned were Jews who had been forcibly converted to Romanism (if not killed outright).

Considering the reliability of the other sources you've used, I'm sure you'll forgive me for saying "BS!" There is no purpose in discussing historty with people who consider Lorraine Boettner and the like truthful.

673 posted on 07/10/2003 5:50:00 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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