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To: MarMema
It's a free country ... you're welcome to your opinion. But I don't share it, and don't think the facts support it. The greatest evil in the USA is legalised abortion. It's as great an evil as NAZI German, Soviet Russian, and Red Chinese genocide. And I look around at who's opposing it, and I see Catholics, and more Catholics, and still more Catholics, and ... oh, yes, the occasional Protestant. I welcome them to the fray, but to say that "[i]t is the Protestants who will be our salvation if we are fortunate enough to prevail in the current culture war of America" is, IMO, delusional.
539 posted on 07/03/2003 1:59:37 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: ArrogantBustard; MarMema
And I look around at who's opposing it, and I see Catholics, and more Catholics, and still more Catholics, and ... oh, yes, the occasional Protestant.

Oh, please. Get a grip on yourself.

The most Catholic states are among the most liberal. States like New York and other big corrupt union-dominated leftist-idoleogy states. And in them, the Roman element is as often subversive to pro-life issues as it is supportive of the pro-life cause. You've got plenty of cafeteria Catholics.

By contrast, here in the Midwest and many of the rural states, Catholics are a small minority. But they have vocal and conservative bishops. Like my own bishop, Bruskewitz. The last serious challenge to abortion law from a state case came from Nebraska and it is certainly not readily apparent that it was instigated by Roman elements though our state pro-life organizations do have a number of R.C.'s in them. But our Baptists and evangelicals are just as involved and active against abortion as the local R.C.'s. Om comparison to Nebraska's example, how many of the liberal bishops in the big Democrat/Catholic states have ever written to their parishioners and told them directly that it is anti-Church and anti-life to vote Democrat? Archibishop Eldon Curtiss of Omaha did exactly that. And Bruskewitz told anyone who joined a pro-abort or pro-sodomite group to consider themselves formally excommunicated. You need to understand that there is a reason why Nebraska was one of the three all-red Bush states in the last election. Our R.C.'s may still be mostly registered as Dems but they vote conservative. This is why our Dims are more conservative than most anyone else's. And they don't get a pass from liberal R.C. bishops either, like Cuomo and the other CINO politicians do from their local RC hierarchy. It makes a huge difference.

So, in terms of clout, the smaller states are the most anti-abortion. And they are the most effective in that fight. They are the most steadfast in sending representatives to Congress, especially to the Senate, to support the pro-life agenda. It is not entirely a coincidence that there are often very conservative R.C. bishops in the dioceses of those states.

By contrast, the best-known large states with substantial Roman elements in the pro-life movement are largely undermined by their own cafeteria Catholics voting for pro-abort Catholic Dimwits (like Cuomo, for example) and the votes of the R.C. pro-lifers are submerged in a general liberal voting bloc of their fellow RC's who follow the liberal social and political ideology that is preached by their bishops.

You're just wrong. Name recognition and an occasional rally in a big city don't mean much if you don't send representatives to Congress, especially the Senate, to enact your views. Period.
545 posted on 07/03/2003 4:32:18 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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