Such a kind assertion.
Tertullian was a heretic,
Only at the end of his life.
but some of his writings were quite profound. Augustine certainly had his problems as well...
The Second Council of Constantinople didn't seem to think so. Can you name some Eastern Fathers who caluminated St. Augustine of Hippo as you do?
But I gave you PROOF that Gregory the Great did NOT subscribe to the filioque.
No you didn't. You have an active imagination about what you have proven. You make wild assertions, but offer no proof. Try reading the Fathers and Councils instead of Orthodox polemics.
Pope St. Gregory the Great PREACHED the filioque in his works, so it would be VERY DIFFICULT for you, Tex, to PROOVE that he did not to subscribe to that which he was forcefully preaching.
"The Spirit proceeds essentially from the Son ... the Redeemer imparted to the hearts of His disciples the Spirit who proceeds from Himself." -Pope Gregory the Great (the Theologian), Moral Teachings drawn from Job, 1,22, 2,92 (AD 595)"Our Lord ... shews how the Spirit of Both so proceeds as to be coeternal with Both ... He who is produced by procession is not posterior in time to those by whom He is put forth."
-Pope Gregory the Great (the Theologian), Moral Teachings drawn from Job, 25,4 (AD 595)
The fact is, until the western Church tried to convert Spain, it was never used in the west.
Nope. I gave you a whole list of Westerners and Easterners with their writings who used the very phrase long before the Councils of Toledo that inserted it into the Constantinopolitan Creed. You have yet to even attempt to make a response to that. Long before the conversion of Arian Spain in AD 589, we read the Spanish saying:
"The Spirit is also the Paraclete, who is himself neither the Father and the Son, but proceeding from from the Father and the Son. Therefore the Father is unbegotten, the Son is begotten, the Paraclete is not begotten, but proceeding from the Father and the Son."
-Second Council of Toledo, (AD 447)
And in the first Western Theological Manual:
We believe that there is One God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; Father, in that He has a Son; Son, in that He has a Father; Holy Spirit, in that He proceeds from the Father and the Son."
-Gennadius of Marseilles, De eccl. dogm., PL 58,980(ante A.D. 495)
The bottom line is this. The Councils pronounced ANETHEMAS on ANYONE who added or took away from the creed.
No they didn't. Provide the quote. I showed you what the Council of Ephesus said, and it does not say what you claim. You haven't responded. And then there is this:
"We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, proceeding from the Father through the Son" (Profession of Faith, AD 787).
Are you anathematizing the Holy Fathers gathered at the Second Council of Nicea for making the addition in bold above? You soar to the heights of hubris.
The West agreed to this, but the later Popes chose to make an issue of this as a reason to assert their pretended primacy. Hermann, you are wasting your breath trying to convince me.
I have more knowledge and sources on these subjects,
If you do, you sure aren't demonstrating it here. You refuse to provide any back-up to your claims.
and You still haven't answered my questions regarding YOUR OWN POPE, Gregory the Great.
Yes I did. I answered both as to his claims to the Primacy, and above, I give you his teaching on the Filioque from Moralia in Job.
You cannot ignore what he said and did, and furthermore, YOU KNOW IT!
I don't have to ingore it. He supports my position. He supports the filioque, and he most certainly claims a Primacy over Constantinople and the whole world.
"For as to what they say about the Church of Constantinople, who can doubt that it is subject to the Apostolic See, as both the most pious lord the emperor and our brother the bishop of that city continually acknowledge? Yet, if this or any other Church has anything that is good, I am prepared in what is good to imitate even my inferiors, while prohibiting them from things unlawful."
-Pope St. Gregory the Great, Book 9, Epistle 12
You are over your head on this, so admit it, and bow out gracefully.
Mmmm, hmmm. Oh, all right! I give up! I can't win an argument with someone who refuses to even prove his point!
You have the right to your own beliefs, but don't think you are going to convert the Orthodox....
I certainly won't convince anyone who cannot bring themselves to even provide evidence for their own faith. MarMema, that comment is not drected to you. You are a worthy debater of the truth of the Lord.