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Pope Again Reaches Out to Orthodox Church
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| June 30, 2003
Posted on 06/30/2003 2:53:51 PM PDT by NYer
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To: MarMema
Archbishop Stepanic was not an Ustashi. They hated him because he was not a hyper-Nationalist like they.
And I would not trust anything the Jews say when whining about the Catholic Church.
To: George W. Bush
Blah, blah, blah.
To: Aliska
I know exactly the picture of which you speak. I have lots of Old Believer info on my bookshelf as well. And there are fairly large communities of them both to the north and south of us. Have you read, by any chance, the book about the woman/family in Siberia? The Lykov family and their discovery...
Lost in the Taiga.
It is really a fascinating read, if you can find it.
603
posted on
07/09/2003 1:33:08 PM PDT
by
MarMema
To: MarMema
I love that sort of thing. I'll see if I can get the book on inter-library loan. It would make a fascinating movie. I love Russian movies. Thank you for the recommendation.
I've read some wonderful Russian books, translated into English, of course. I've taught myself some Russian, but am not proficient enough to read, speak or write it.
604
posted on
07/09/2003 1:39:01 PM PDT
by
Aliska
To: Hermann the Cherusker
Of course you will say that the Jews, Serbs, and everyone else who knew he was aware of the massacres and approved of them are all whiners and hated him for some other reason. It suits you well to ignore the evil in your own church. My hope for you is that some day you will be able to see evil for what it is and stop endorsing it, even promoting it. I believe that Christ weeps over the behavior of many in your church, for centuries upon centuries now.
Hermann why do you think it is that the vatican has repeatedly been named for hiding the evil in their own backyard and denying it? From the utashe being spirited away and supported in Argentina to the current "move the pedophile priest" exposure, you can honestly say you don't see a trend?
605
posted on
07/09/2003 1:39:03 PM PDT
by
MarMema
To: Aliska
Russian is not easy to self-teach, is it? I took two semesters just before we adopted a 7 year old child from Russia back in 1995. I am planning to begin study again in the fall along with my two oldest children, from a woman at church who just completed her degree in Russian Language.
The book is very enjoyable, and let me know if you read it. When they find the family one of the first things the father asks is who the current Czar is. That's how isolated they were and for how long they were outside of any contact with society.
606
posted on
07/09/2003 1:42:46 PM PDT
by
MarMema
To: MarMema
May I recommend to you, "A Walk in Rural Russia", by Soloukhin, Vladimir (Stella Miskin, Translator). It isn't religiously oriented, but it describes some of the beautiful old churches such as at Suzdal(?) and others. The descriptions of the people, trees, flowers, etc., are refreshing.
607
posted on
07/09/2003 1:47:11 PM PDT
by
Aliska
To: MarMema
It is a difficult language for me. The spelling of those long words is totally confounding, also those ibles or whatever those funny symbols are. It's been several years since I worked with it. I took quite a bit of teasing about it from my family because I was listening to all those strange sounds on my tape recorder instead of doing something normal like FR :-).
608
posted on
07/09/2003 1:51:47 PM PDT
by
Aliska
To: TexConfederate1861; George W. Bush; malakhi; drstevej; FormerLib; Aliska; RnMomof7; ...
Can you tell me in all honesty that you believe it is RIGHT to kill someone for their beliefs? This was provoked by malakhi paraphrasing one of the condemnations made of Luther in the Bull Exsurge Domine "33. To burn heretics is against the will of the Spirit."
The heretics were not burned for their beliefs, but because they insisted on disturbing the faith of others and the order of Church and State. The burnings were carried out by their being handed over to the secular arm, because heresy was a crime against the State, since Christianity is part of the Common Law.
A perfect example of this is the Hussite rebellion, which was not merely a religious movement against the Church, but a political revolution against the established temporal order.
Similarly, there is nothing morally wrong with knocking down pagan temples or converting them into Churches once Paganism was outlawed, as the Church Fathers did.
I don't think there was anything morally wrong with the burnings of the middle ages by the Catholic Church, and they were certainly practiced all around by all sides, Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox. In fact, I think a world of good could be done today in ridding the Catholic Church of the heretic communist perverts hiding in clerics and molesting young boys by public burnings. Pope Piel may be saying this half in jest, but I as a Catholic am not. I'd be the first one there in my Altar Boy's cassock and surplice with the holy flame.
"If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch and shall wither: and they shall gather him up and cast him into the fire: and he burneth." (John 15.6)
One should keep firmly in mind that the Inquisition was aimed squarely at correcting wayward Catholics, not the faithful of other religions. Once the Protestant settlement ocurred in the mid-1500's after the Wars of Religion were finished, the Inqusition was no longer aimed at those men, since they were no longer rebels against the established order, nor had they left the Catholic Church anymore, but rather they were never a part of it from the beginning. Similarly in England with Catholics after the settlement of 1688.
No society can tolerate a willful and despiteful attempt to subvert its religion, no more than it would to break down its laws--a general, malicious and deliberate intent to overthrow Christianity, general Christianity. Without these restraints no free government could long exist. It is liberty run mad to declaim against the punishment of these offences, or to assert that the punishment is hostile to the spirit and genius of our government. They are far from being true friends to liberty who support this doctrine, and the promulgation of such opinions, and general receipt of them among the people, would be the sure forerunners of anarchy, and finally, of despotism. No free government now exists in the world unless where Christianity is acknowledged, and is the religion of the country.... Its foundations are broad and strong, and deep. .. it is the purest system of morality, the firmest auxiliary, and only stable support of all human laws. ...
(The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania 1824, in the Case of Updegraph V The Commonwealth 11 Serg. & R. 393-394, 398-399, 402, 507 [1824])
To: MarMema
Archbishop Stepanic did not approve of massacres.
To: Hermann the Cherusker
And I bet the pope doesn't like pedophiles either.
What's missing from this picture?
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posted on
07/09/2003 3:23:52 PM PDT
by
MarMema
To: Hermann the Cherusker
The heretics were not burned for their beliefs, but because they insisted on disturbing the faith of others and the order of Church and State. The burnings were carried out by their being handed over to the secular arm, because heresy was a crime against the State, since Christianity is part of the Common Law.OH! Now it all makes perfect sense. You can burn people alive as long you have a good reason. I get it now.
612
posted on
07/09/2003 3:26:38 PM PDT
by
MarMema
To: Hermann the Cherusker; Aliska
In fact, I think a world of good could be done today in ridding the Catholic Church of the heretic communist perverts hiding in clerics and molesting young boys by public burnings.Umm, Aliska, I think I am beginning to understand your sense of loneliness. Run while you still can. :-)
613
posted on
07/09/2003 3:30:21 PM PDT
by
MarMema
To: Aliska; RussianConservative; Chancellor Palpatine; TexConfederate1861
One should keep firmly in mind that the Inquisition was aimed squarely at correcting wayward Catholics, not the faithful of other religions.Whoops, I meant to include this quote as well.
I guess we may as well begin practising our toleration of flame. I am quite sure that the entire Orthodox church will fall under the label of wayward Catholics.
614
posted on
07/09/2003 3:33:26 PM PDT
by
MarMema
To: Hermann the Cherusker
***I don't think there was anything morally wrong with the burnings of the middle ages by the Catholic Church, and they were certainly practiced all around by all sides, Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox. In fact, I think a world of good could be done today in ridding the Catholic Church of the heretic communist perverts hiding in clerics and molesting young boys by public burnings. Pope Piel may be saying this half in jest, but I as a Catholic am not. I'd be the first one there in my Altar Boy's cassock and surplice with the holy flame.***
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To: drstevej
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posted on
07/09/2003 3:54:00 PM PDT
by
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To: katnip
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To: Aliska
May I recommend to you, "A Walk in Rural Russia"Absolutely and thank you. I will plug it in on the library website. We just rented The Inspector General and a Gogol movie which was very unusual - about a witch and a priest in training. Anyway I will certainly love this movie you have described here and let you know when I have seen it.
618
posted on
07/09/2003 3:58:37 PM PDT
by
MarMema
To: MarMema
I watched a priest stoke a big bonfire in the rectory yard before the entrance of RCIA candidates into the church for confirmation. Do you suppose he was warming up for that day?
Can you ping me after Armageddon? I'm going to go hide in the Taiga.
619
posted on
07/09/2003 4:01:43 PM PDT
by
Aliska
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posted on
07/09/2003 4:02:20 PM PDT
by
MarMema
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