[Patrick Madrid]

Scary, scary stuff.

BTW, it was a Hoffner knock-off. Back then, I couldn't locate any of the real ones.

[Revelation 911]

I'd respectfully ask our Evangelical and Fundamentalist friends here to think carefully about these quotes and consider just how far modern-day Protestantism has drifted from its 16th-century moorings, not to mention how very far it has drifted from the fifteen centuries of the Catholic Faith that preceded the Protestant Reformation.

Did the Moravians originally hold to perpetual virginity?

Isn't the Catholic Church kind of late to the ball game when the "sinlessness" of Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX at Rome, December 8, 1854?

Matthew 1 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

Main Entry: 1un·til Pronunciation: &n-'til, -'tel; '&n-", -t&l Function: preposition Etymology: Middle English, from un- up to, until (akin to Old English oth to, until, Old High German unt up to, until, Old English ende end) + til, till till Date: 13th century 1 chiefly Scottish : TO 2 -- used as a function word to indicate continuance (as of an action or condition) to a specified time 3 : BEFORE 2

Im still curious to hear your take on Matt 12 cited