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To: SoothingDave
A crown with 12 stars you would deny her?

Of course not.

I am, simply, saying that, scripturally, the correspondence (12 stars - 12 tribes) dovetails best with Israel.

I thought we just talked about the flight to Egypt? Didn't the dragon try to persue the woman and kill her offspring?

Didn't Herod try to find the offspring and kill it?


As is noted in a related post (# 322), the Herodian persecution of the family ended with the death of Herod, ... rather early in JESUS' life.

Once again, the persistent persecution of the woman (who did not have her child with her by the way ... the child was snatched up to heaven by God) ...

... which we find described, ... particularly, in verses 15 and 16 of Revelation 12, ...

... corresponds best with Israel, ... who, though JESUS has ascended, ... still face an otherwise irrational persecution even to this day.

Also, one could pesher that many today still persecute the woman, Mary, by various means.

Persecuted in heaven ... how would that be ?

324 posted on 06/25/2003 8:26:08 AM PDT by Quester
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To: Quester
I am, simply, saying that, scripturally, the correspondence (12 stars - 12 tribes) dovetails best with Israel.

She is Israel. At least she is the crowning symbol of Israel, its peak acheivement.

As is noted in a related post (# 322), the Herodian persecution of the family ended with the death of Herod, ... rather early in JESUS' life.

Yes, and you had a good point there. Here, I am merely showing how the imagery fits into Mary's life.

Persecuted in heaven ... how would that be ?

Her person, her being, her life, her role. All are routinely mocked by those claiming to love her Son. It is the creulest form of persecution, this irrational belief that they can bring people to her Son by destroying the image of the mother. That attacking people's beliefs in what the Son has done for the mother, what he promises to do for us as well, is a way to bring us to Him.

SD

325 posted on 06/25/2003 8:36:20 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Quester
Once again, the persistent persecution of the woman (who did not have her child with her by the way ... the child was snatched up to heaven by God) ...

... corresponds best with Israel, ... who, though JESUS has ascended, ... still face an otherwise irrational persecution even to this day.

I think you will find that Mary, too, had her child taken way from her, first into death and then into Heaven.

SD

326 posted on 06/25/2003 8:37:35 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Quester
... corresponds best with Israel, ... who, though JESUS has ascended, ... still face an otherwise irrational persecution even to this day.

Israel is the Church, the congregation of the faithful of the Hebrews, and the converts of the Gentiles. See Romans 11, John 8, etc. You blaspheme by giving that term to the modern Jews, who are wholly underserving of it (see Revelations 2.9)

Persecuted in heaven ... how would that be ?

By sacrilegious Protestants such as yourself who deny her perogatives and holiness and call her place in the economy of salvation into question and deny the usefulness of having recourse to her prayers. That's how Blessed Mary is persecuted in heaven.

340 posted on 06/25/2003 12:12:56 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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