Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: Patrick Madrid
Another Example of the Nonsensical nature of the "Trinity"

There are LOTS of examples showing how ridiculous and unscriptural the doctrine of a "God in the flesh" Messiah is. This is just one brief example among the many that could have been chosen. I invite you to read through my New Testament commentary proofs AGAINST the Trinity to find more.

Mt 12:32

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Parallel passages Mark 3:28-30 Luke 12:10

Mark 3:28-30 - 28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Luke 12:10 - 10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. If Yahshua and YHVH (God) are one in the same, why is speaking against Yahshua (Son of man) something for which one can be forgiven but speaking against the Holy Spirit (God, since "God is a Spirit" - John 4:24) never forgivable?

This is yet another case of a clear distinction shown between the "son of man" (Yahshua) and God. The weakness of the Trinity argument once again is exposed since, by saying Yahshua is God Christian pastors would have us believe that if we blaspheme God it is forgivable, but if we blaspheme God it is not forgivable. (DUH?!?!) Yes. Rememeber, Christian and counterfeit Messianic leaders say Yahshua IS God; therefore, the contradiction in the sentence you just read IS what they are attemping to have you accept! You read the sentence correctly, and the apparent mistake in the sentence is actually one of numerous illustrations that highlights the problems of the Trinity position. The sentence is as senseless as any doctrine that promotes Yahshua is God. Like all such doctrines, the sentence defies common sense.

What child would understand a parent saying, "If you talk back to me you are not going to get a spanking, but if you talk back to me you are going to get a spanking." (DUH?!?!) I think such odd parental instruction, if it became the norm, could result in a somewhat confused child. Similarly, most Christians have become somewhat confused children from listening to their Trinitarian theologian parents' twisted attempts to prove the doctrine that Messiah is God using "mystery", word games (ie. Hebrew - "echad" and "Elohim") and other similarly desperate means that all defy basic common sense and clear meaning of Scripture. The result is a "child" (Christians and/or counterfeit Messianics) that has lost the ability to discern and understand simple, direct, common sense verses of Scripture.

The Trinitarians may try to explain away this glaring contradiction in their argument by somehow trying to show how the different aspects of the Son and the Father's divine nature allows this. Well, would they please show me how we can blaspheme any aspect of YHVH? Do they have Scripture that permits us to blaspheme YHVH at all? Absurd. The Trinity argument, when placed along side Scripture, is shown to be absurd.

Harsh as it may sound, time after time the Trinity is shown to be an amazing effort at futility and an unsurpassed example of a lack of BASIC common sense; however, the most remarkable aspect of it is that so many people accept it, despite that fact they have a Bible, which if they truly read, proves the Trinity to be a false teaching!

12 posted on 06/23/2003 3:04:13 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: Invincibly Ignorant
Harsh as it may sound, time after time the Trinity is shown to be an amazing effort at futility and an unsurpassed example of a lack of BASIC common sense; however, the most remarkable aspect of it is that so many people accept it, despite that fact they have a Bible, which if they truly read, proves the Trinity to be a false teaching!

Wow. How do you reconcile the early Church teaching the Trinity as a doctrine? Perhaps it was because the Bible wasn't yet formally placed into canons that they forgot to read the thing.

13 posted on 06/23/2003 3:08:52 PM PDT by jrherreid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies ]

To: Invincibly Ignorant
I am a Catholic, a disciple of Jesus Christ, the Messiah. U believe with all my heart and strenth in the Blessed Trinity, One God in Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

If you'd like to read a book that may prove to be helpful to you in understanding why I and hundreds of millions of other Christians firmly believe in the Trinity, please read either or both of these books by Frank Sheed or the third book I'll mention, by Ronald Tacelli, SJ, and Peter Kreeft:

1) Theology and Sanity, Frank Sheed (Ignatius Press)
2) Theology for Beginners, Frank Sheed (Servant Press)
3) A Handbook of Christian Apologetics, Tacelli & Kreefy (InterVarsity Press)

The first two especially will help! God bless you.
14 posted on 06/23/2003 3:09:18 PM PDT by Patrick Madrid
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies ]

To: Invincibly Ignorant
Who gives a crap what a heretic thinks? Your opinion matters about as much as a Hindu's or a Jain's on the subject.
20 posted on 06/23/2003 3:22:40 PM PDT by Conservative til I die (They say anti-Catholicism is the thinking man's anti-Semitism; that's an insult to thinking men)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies ]

To: Invincibly Ignorant
What child would understand a parent saying, "If you talk back to me you are not going to get a spanking, but if you talk back to me you are going to get a spanking." (DUH?!?!) I think such odd parental instruction, if it became the norm, could result in a somewhat confused child.

OTOH, a child would very well understand his/her mother reprimanding him/her for backtalk, AND telling the child that when his/her father got home, he/she was going to get a spanking.

The child would understand that his/her mother was exercising legitimate authority over him/her, AND that, when his/her father arrived home, that he, too, would exercise legitimate authority over him/her, ... though the two of them ... the mother and the father, would exercise this authority individually and in different ways.

The child would, further, understand that, though the two of them, mother and father, would exercise such authority individually and in different ways, ... that they would, indeed, be exercising such authority in the pursuance of the same goal (i.e. the rearing of a respectful child) ... and in the fulfillment of their joint identity as parent to the child.

34 posted on 06/23/2003 3:50:50 PM PDT by Quester
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies ]

To: Invincibly Ignorant
Genesis 1

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [2] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Who's "us"?

Invincible ignorance can be overcome.

97 posted on 06/24/2003 5:00:27 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson