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To: SoothingDave
***Your argument then is that the invincibly ignorant are not saved. Which means they are reprobates.***

First, I don't use the term invincibly ignorant. That's your term. Second, none seek after God apart from the work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit convinces of sin, righteousness and judgment. The Holy Spirit regenerates. But the Holy Spirit regenerates those who embrace Jesus as savior.

John 1:12 "But as many as received him [JESUS], to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name [JESUS]."

No "except..." here either, SD.
77 posted on 06/23/2003 2:07:28 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
First, I don't use the term invincibly ignorant. That's your term.

Well, we could just never talk to each other, if learning each other's terms is too difficult.

Second, none seek after God apart from the work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit convinces of sin, righteousness and judgment. The Holy Spirit regenerates. But the Holy Spirit regenerates those who embrace Jesus as savior.

So the Holy Spirit can fail? Is that what you are saying? God can fail? God can send the HS to work on a spiritually dead person without regenerating him? How does that work?

The HS can work on a person, but only if he "embraces" Jesus as Savior? I thought God was sovereign and grace was irresistable?

Now we find that even God sending out the HS to work on a person, that regeneration itself is dependent on the action of the "dead" person deciding to embrace Jesus.

Interesting day.

SD

80 posted on 06/23/2003 2:14:43 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: drstevej
John 1:12 "But as many as received him [JESUS], to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name [JESUS]."

No "except..." here either, SD.

Hello? That is the "except." LOL

I thought it was "none are good, no one none at all, nobody." Now we find that some can be considered good.

(Or is it that goodness is not a requirement for entry into Heaven?)

SD

82 posted on 06/23/2003 2:18:25 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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