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To: NYer
Many works mention that Mary gave birth to Jesus without pain. But pain in childbearing is part of the penalty of original sin (Gen. 3:16). Thus, Mary could not have been under that penalty. By God’s grace, she was immaculate in anticipation of her Son’s redemptive death on the cross. The Church therefore describes Mary as "the most excellent fruit of redemption" (CCC 508).

None of them inspired works.The early church was under heavy pagan influence just looking for a Goddess

If a baptised woman goes to confession (and is therefor sinless ) can she have a painless delivery?

30 posted on 06/17/2003 9:24:05 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
The early church was under heavy pagan influence just looking for a Goddess

Which of the Early Church Fathers was a pagan?

32 posted on 06/17/2003 10:06:22 AM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: RnMomof7
If a baptised woman goes to confession (and is therefor sinless ) can she have a painless delivery?

Sorry, this is a really dumb flippant answer you've given. The baptised have original sin remitted, but not the punishments of original sin. Mary was conceived without it, and so was not under its punishments either. You cannot remit what was never there.

The same logic in your answer would also claim we'd have to believe the baptised will never die. Please.

41 posted on 06/17/2003 10:52:41 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: RnMomof7
The early church was under heavy pagan influence just looking for a Goddess

This makes me laugh. Which Early Christians were heavily influenced by paganism? Was it the ones who busied themselves tearing down Pagan shinres in accordance with Canon Law? Maybe the ones who descreated pagan Holy places and erected Churches on top of them? Such feverish imaginatiosn in you Protestants.

49 posted on 06/17/2003 11:11:51 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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