[Hermann the Cherusker]

Not all believers are yet Holy. Therefore, their sanctity, and claim to the title is one of anticipation.

And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man. And the Lord shall raise him up: and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess therefore your sins one to another: and pray one for another, that you may be saved. (James 5.15-16)

Do you believe the Church contains sinners, as the Apostle James cleary says? How can sinners be anything other than saints by anticipation? They certainly cannot be termed holy by any other definition. One is only holy if he is without sin.

[drstevej]

Paul calls believers saints in Ephesians, Colossians and Phillipians as I have referenced. These are certainly not sinless. They are set apart by the Holy Spirit who has regenerated them.

The root word (from which we get both holy and saint) means to set apart. In the OT funriture in the Tabernacle is holy (certainly not meaning sinless).

***One is only holy if he is without sin.***

When you reference JPII as Holy Father are you attributing to him sinlessness?

***And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man. And the Lord shall raise him up: and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess therefore your sins one to another: and pray one for another, that you may be saved. (James 5.15-16)***

The word (iaomai) is healed not saved!

KJV - Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.

Luther - Bekenne einer dem andern seine Sünden und betet füreinander, daß ihr gesund werdet.

Vulgate - confitemini ergo alterutrum peccata vestra et orate pro invicem

NIV - Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.

ASV - Confess therefore your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.