Churches' goal is unity, not uniformity spokesman for Vatican declares

Church Times ^ | Paul Handley

[huskyboy]

Heresy alert! Doesn't the "cardinal" understand that Anglican "orders", as it is right now, remain invalid?

Also, either the Anglican group is in communion with the Church, or it isn't. There is no middle ground here. As it stands presently, the Church sees the Anglican faction as both heretical and schismatic. If the post-conciliar church actually pulls off a merge, it will only add to my evidence that the post-conciliar church is really a newer "church" unaffiliated with the true Church of Christ.

[huskyboy]

ping.

[Aloysius]

Heresy alert! Doesn't the "cardinal" understand that Anglican "orders", as it is right now, remain invalid?

Kasper isn't Catholic. Ignore everything he says.

[ultima ratio]

"Cardinal Kasper warned against a 'mechanical' interpretation of the apostolic succession. 'To stand in the apostolic succession is not a matter of an individual historical chain, but of collegial membership in a collegium which, as a whole, goes back to the apostles.'"

Typical modernistic double-speak, taking familiar phrases and ascribing to them new meanings. "Apostolic succession" has always meant actual historical linkage, not "collegial membership"--otherwise the Church's own claims for two thousand years have been elaborate hoaxes. Kasper can feel all the collegiality he wants with Anglican bishops and the Pope can give away all the expensive crucifixes he wants--the Anglican bishops are still laymen dressed up as prelates. This ecumenical nonsense has got to end. It is not winning converts--and it is destroying the Catholic Church.

[Land of the Irish]

Kasper needs to trade in his "Catholic" red hat for an Anglican red nose:

"The Rev. James Gary Gloster (left) and his consecrators, including the Rt. Rev. Edmond Browning (behind Gloster), presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church in the United States, sport red clown noses during a ceremony at Duke Chapel to ordain Gloster as Suffragan Bishop."

[Hermann the Cherusker]

This Kaspar fellow is out there, isn't he?

[Loyalist]

Walter Kasper could well be the next Pope.

Since the new papal election rules allow for a simple majority ballot after several ballots fail to elect a candidate with two-thirds of the vote, the liberal cardinals need only stand firm behind Kasper for a few days and then pick up a few stray cardinals on the simple majority ballot.

[american colleen]

Walter Kasper could well be the next Pope.

Bite your keyboard!!!

[ELS]

Kasper needs to trade in his "Catholic" red hat for an Anglican red nose

I second the motion.

[dsc]

Lord, and all this time I thought those noses were added using computer graphics. You mean they were really wearing them?

[TradicalRC]

Wow. The Greatest Show on Earth.

[narses]

Card. Kasper is in charge of ecumenical affairs, he is as authoritative as they come regards non-Catholic affairs. (N.B. He is NOT in charge of the SSPX issues nor was he ever in charge of the SSJV regularization.) If his views stand, it will create an enormous schism in the midst of eliminating what that word means. What a conundrum!

[Land of the Irish]

You mean they were really wearing them?

Yes

[Loyalist]

What discussion of episcopal etiquette on FR would be complete without the obligatory cheesehead photo?

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Heretics cannot be elected to the Supreme Pontificate because they are not members of the Church. Kaspar may run around all he wants in Cardinal's robes, but it does not change his lack of faith.

[Dajjal]

Bumpus ad summum

[dsc]

After the clown nose thing, I'm almost afraid to ask...

[Aloysius]

I don't think the Anglican's would find Kasper worth of a red nose. After all, they do believe in the Resurrection don't they?

[k omalley]

"modernistic double speak"

This modernistic double speak soon becomes all-encompassing. Certain factions in the Anglican and Episcopal Churches, mainline Protestant churches and liberal and radical theologians will say "of course we believe in the Resurrection!" What they mean if you delve further is that they don't believe in a physical resurrection but something that took place in our hearts or that Christ's message lives on. Paraphrasing St. Paul, there goes the faith, it's completely in vain.

[drstevej]

***Walter Kasper could well be the next Pope.***

Making Pope Piel the logical alternative. A Protestant Pope who will let the traditionalists clean house while he gets in a few rounds each day on the new Totus Tuus Three Par Golf Course that will adorn the Vatican Grounds.