More Latin to be used at Mass in Vatican clampdown

Sunday Business Post, Ireland ^ | Kieron Wood

[american colleen]

I believe some of the bishops support EWTN although by "support" I mean appear on it and seem to be in agreement with what Mother Angelica has set out to do. They would be the "usual suspects" like Bruskewicz, Dolan and several others of that ilk.

EWTN is independently run by donations, etc. and so I do not think the bishops fund collection of last week supports anything but the USCCB and individual diocesan television stations. Since that particular collection was not explained beyond the words on the envelope (which led me to come to the above conclusion about its purpose), I did not donate to it either. Why buy an inferior product.

I have no idea of the quality of other diocesan tv stations, but the one in my diocese is no where near the caliber of EWTN and it also pre-empts EWTN for several hours in the morning which annoys me to no end. The last straw for me was when I saw a local priest fairly well known for his dissidence explaining the virtues of "centering" prayer in a thoroughly modernistic way. We would have been better served by a program explaining how to say the rosary or maybe the divine mercy chaplet. I fired off a charitable letter to the station and received an unsatisfactory letter back. So, the bishops can look for donations all they want, but not from me.

Mother Angelica as a poor nun has managed to do what the bishops, taken as a whole, and with million$ at their disposal, have failed to do. That is, teach the basics of the faith.

[Aloysius]

enforcing Ecclesia Dei involves the potential loss of a lot of $$$.

How so? A dozen Tridentine Masses per Diocese isn't going to have that much of an effect.

A return to some Latin in the Mass and a halt to abuses (although I think the laity would probably be the enforcers if the priests don't follow) won't cost the coffers a cent.

Then why hasn't this been done already? I'm not sure money is the driving force here.

[american colleen]

I am an idiot! And also there is way too many papers with Latin titles floating around. I mixed up "Ecclesia Dei" with "Ex Corde Ecclesiae" --- like an idiot!

[ArrogantBustard]

Latin (and Greek) in the Liturgy isn't a real problem, except in so far as reciting or singing the prayers in Latin reveals how inaccurately they have been translated into English. At my Parish, we generally sing the "Kyrie" in Greek and the "Sanctus" and "Agnus Dei" in Latin. I'd like to have the "Gloria" sung in Latin as well. Perhaps I should pester our Pastor about it again...

I'm referring to the "new" Mass here.

[Aloysius]

I mixed up "Ecclesia Dei" with "Ex Corde Ecclesiae" --- like an idiot!

Now I understand your original comment.

[Romulus]

I was, however, never able to understand the new-age, mumbo jumbo spoken at the Novus Ordo.

You weren't supposed to.

[Revelation 911]

and numerous visual cues exist to assist the congregation.

...and this "speaks" to the repentant sinner hearts how exactly?

[Conservative til I die]

Like a lot of the local bishops care what the Pope thinks.

[Alex Murphy]

Presumably, before all that non-unity stuff occurred at the Tower of Babel, everyone spoke Latin. Even today, if you wake someone up at three a.m., they will actually talk in Latin! People speaking different languages is a direct result of a secret U.N. conspiracy, and it is perpetrated via the fluoridation of our drinking water, polluting our precious bodily fluids and causing us to speak oddly.

That is the mystical secret behind Catholics and "Holy Water". Get repeated exposure to it (baptism, etc), and voila! The fluoridation gets purged from your system, and you begin understanding Latin again. That, my friend, is the real reason why Perrier and other bottled waters became so popular years ago. Notice the flowchart, though - the government is involved in the process, and that means the Jesuits. Obviously, bottled water still contains some type of particulate that interrupts the cleansing process, keeping the monopoly on truly pure water within the Vatican itself.

[B Knotts]

Did you read what I said? I said that I was happiest about the crackdown on liturgical abuses.

As far as the Old Mass goes, I have never been to one, so I don't know that much about it. I do know that the missal has the Latin side-by-side with an English translation.

[ultima ratio]

This is so much malarky. There has not been the slightest indication of any "clamp-down" beyond these newspaper stories. Abuses have now been going on for thirty or more years. Things get worse, not better--and so far the Vatican has done absolutely nothing but put out these gossipy but substanceless pieces. In fact, the Pope himself is responsible for many abuses, particularly at youth rallies where sacrilege is commonplace due to indifference or ignorance.

[Antoninus]

Seminaries bulge in poor countries...I'm sure you can figure it out.

It has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit, of course...

[Antoninus]

I understand that seminaries in Africa are filled to overflowing. Given conditions in the continent, that's not surprising. Seminarians don't starve.

Thanks for the non sequitur. You're purposely getting away from the crux of the argument. The article was specifically talking about traditional seminaries and said generally "around the world" not specifically "in Africa." How many traditional seminaries are there in Africa, anyway?

Furthermore, it strikes me that a seminarian who was just looking for three squares a day and who was not truly called to serve the Lord, would gravitate toward a "path of least resistance" seminary, which traditional ones generally are not. Thus, your argument fails on several fronts.

[ultima ratio]

This is just the same old same old. Remember the draft document on prohibiting gay seminarians? Nothing came of that and the gay subculture of dissent still has a stranglehold on the seminaries in Europe and America. There has been absolutely no reform--not even the hint of one.

This is all in the "drafting" stage--which means it is strictly p.r. But in fact, despite his voluminous publications, this pope has shown no interst in practical liturgical reform whatsoever and has done nothing for twenty-five years to correct abuses. He has relented in every instance when bishops have instituted ever more liberal innovations.

What's worse, he has himself set the worst of examples. Many of his papal rallies--they can hardly be called Masses--have been the settings for routine sacrilege. This is a weak and ineffectual pope--and a liturgically liberal one. The extent of his failure is clearly illustrated by the universal devastation.

[ultima ratio]

This is just the same old same old. Remember the draft document on prohibiting gay seminarians? Nothing came of that and the gay subculture of dissent still has a stranglehold on the seminaries in Europe and America. There has been absolutely no reform--not even the hint of one.

This is all in the "drafting" stage--which means it is strictly p.r. But in fact, despite his voluminous publications, this pope has shown no interst in practical liturgical reform whatsoever and has done nothing for twenty-five years to correct abuses. He has relented in every instance when bishops have instituted ever more liberal innovations.

What's worse, he has himself set the worst of examples. Many of his papal rallies--they can hardly be called Masses--have been the settings for routine sacrilege. This is a weak and ineffectual pope--and a liturgically liberal one. The extent of his failure is clearly illustrated by the universal devastation.