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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
I see no point to having folk guitars, garish modern art, long political-speech sermons, clapping, liturgical dancing, and germ-spreading handshaking at Catholic Masses.

Many of these innovations are now beginning to wane. I use the word "beginning" as it will take a few years to undo what has been in place for 40. Your post makes excellent points! I agree wholeheartedly, especially after having been raised in the Latin rite of pre VCII.

As for the EWTN mass at the Alabama monastery, I hope you and your family will be able to join us next year on our pilgrimage.

15 posted on 05/20/2003 7:25:00 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: NYer
True. I don't have a problem with distinguishing a valid theological interpretation of the council from abuses that followed or from the excesses of modernists who invoke "the spirit of Vatican II" while drifting off into heterodoxy. I think one could debate to what extent liturgical controversies are the "main problem." I think we are still in the debate and discussion mode of postconciliar jockeying though.

For actual schismatic traditionalists, there are probably any of several advisable strategies. They need stronger signs from Rome and from bishops that they are interested in defending orthodoxy. In light of the Hitchcock article posted earlier and various other matters such as the scandals of last year, I can see how some traditionalists might be difficult to be persuaded. But I don't reject Mass in English, the council, or Pope John Paul II, so I don't accept extreme postures while also being open to debate the Latin Mass issue. I think it should be offered for Catholics who desire it. It should not be hidden as in the past. Where abuses in the Novus Ordo and issues of questionable taste arise, they need to be addressed. I think better education in Catholic institutions is the main answer. Good leaders will emerge from orthodox educational institutions, as they always have.

16 posted on 05/20/2003 7:53:33 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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