Yet almost all, though in different ways, long for the one visible Church of God, that truly universal Church whose mission is to convert the whole world to the gospel, so that the world may be saved, to the glory of God.[1]Absolutely hysterical. That's the first paragraph of the first writing you point me to.At the very beginning of its decree on ecumenism, Vatican II teaches that almost everyone longs for a truly universal Church whose mission is to convert the world to the Gospel. What is the truly universal Church whose mission is to convert the world to the Gospel? It is the Roman Catholic Church, of course, which alone is the one true Church of Christ. So what is Vatican II talking about then? Why is Vatican II teaching that almost everyone longs for one the truly universal Church of Christ when we already have it? What Vatican II is teaching at the very beginning of its decree on ecumenism is that people must long for the true Catholic Church because it does not yet exist! It is teaching that the true Church of Christ – the universal Catholic Church – does not yet exist!
Dave, it appears you took that out of context. The true Church of Christ is by definition one, it is truly unified. To say otherwise would make Christ to be a liar.
Too bad the post-conciliar religion doesn't realize it. It longs for unity when the the true Church already has it. Remember the Nicene Creed: "We believe in one, holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church".
Someone should have reminded John Paul II about this:
Antipope John Paul II, Homily, Dec. 5, 1996, speaking of prayer with non-Catholics: "When we pray together, we do so with the longing ‘that there may be one visible Church of God, a Church truly universal and sent forth to the whole world that the world may be converted to the Gospel and so be saved, to the glory of God’ (Unitatis Redintegratio, 1.)."[2]Here we see that John Paul II himself confirms that the longing for the one, visible Church of Christ is a longing on both sides – Catholic and non-Catholic, which means that Vatican II in its decree on ecumenism (which John Paul II is quoting from) was indeed longing for the one universal Church of Christ. Vatican II was therefore denying that the Catholic Church is the one universal Church of Christ.
That was from the same page as the quote you were complaining about. Remember, Vatican II affirmed that the Church of Christ "subsisted in" the Catholic Church. That is heresy: the Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.
Here's more proof why Vatican II lied:
Unitatis redintegratio (# 4):
Nevertheless, the divisions among Christians prevent the Church from realizing in practice the fullness of Catholicity proper to her, in those of her sons and daughters who, though attached to her by baptism, are yet separated from full communion with her. Furthermore, the Church herself finds it more difficult to express in actual life her full Catholicity in all its bearings.Here's Br. Dimond again:
Here, in #4 of the same decree on ecumenism, Vatican II denies that the Church of Christ is fully Catholic! This is so heretical that if you believe this you cannot even say the Apostles’ Creed: "I believe in… the holy Catholic Church." You would have to say, "I believe in the not fully Catholic Church." But why would Vatican II assert such a ridiculous heresy? The reason for this ridiculous statement in Vatican II is that Vatican II rejects that the Roman Catholic Church is the universal Church of Christ.
And yet more proof from anticardinal Joseph Ratzinger:
Thus the Council Fathers meant to say that the being of the Church as such is a broader entity than the Roman Catholic Church. . .(L'Osservatore Romano, Italian edition, October 8, 2000, p. 4)
And we already know schismatics are actually cut off from the Church, right? So explain how the anticardinal arrived at such a heretical conclusion.
LOL. Pot kettle black. LOL
The true Church of Christ is by definition one, it is truly unified. To say otherwise would make Christ to be a liar.
Duh.
Too bad the post-conciliar religion doesn't realize it. It longs for unity when the the true Church already has it.
This is your uncharitable misreading. Let's look again:
Yet almost all, though in different ways, long for the one visible Church of God, that truly universal Church whose mission is to convert the whole world to the gospel, so that the world may be saved, to the glory of God.[
This does not say that the Pope or the council bishops are "longing" for some Church that does not exist.
Try reading what it says. It says "almost all" (that is, people) long for the Church.
As for the Catholic, you miss the word "visible." I know you don't really care, but this Catholic "longs" for all who know God to unite and become a part of the "one visible Church." I know the identity of this Church. What is longed for is the unity Christ intended.
Remember, Vatican II affirmed that the Church of Christ "subsisted in" the Catholic Church. That is heresy: the Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.
That's Feenyism. There are those saved who are "invincibly ignorant" of the need for the formal Church. They stay part of the mystical Church. Hence, the word "subsists."
Nevertheless, the divisions among Christians prevent the Church from realizing in practice the fullness of Catholicity proper to her, in those of her sons and daughters who, though attached to her by baptism, are yet separated from full communion with her. Furthermore, the Church herself finds it more difficult to express in actual life her full Catholicity in all its bearings.
Yeah, OK. What's Father Schism have to say?
Here, in #4 of the same decree on ecumenism, Vatican II denies that the Church of Christ is fully Catholic! This is so heretical that if you believe this you cannot even say the Apostles’ Creed: "I believe in… the holy Catholic Church." You would have to say, "I believe in the not fully Catholic Church." But why would Vatican II assert such a ridiculous heresy? The reason for this ridiculous statement in Vatican II is that Vatican II rejects that the Roman Catholic Church is the universal Church of Christ.
Sure. Keep on believing that. You guys are amusing, in a sad way.
The Church makes use of the talents of her members. Without the unity desired by Jesus, we will lack the gifts of some Christians. The Church can have the fullness of Truth and still not be universal, if there are other options given, other ecclesial communions.
This is nothing at all about admitting the Church isn't fully Catholic.
SD