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To: SoothingDave
Excerpt posted…

"The decision is for you to make, for you are still the Vicar of Jesus Christ upon earth. Pass judgement upon yourself and, if I have lied, cut me off from the Church. But you know that I am not lying. If I have told the truth, then cut yourself off from this Sacred Body which you have betrayed!....

"The time has came to take the final step, and put all this to the test of divine power. And so I bring before your own Jurisdiction a process against yourself, accusing you of heresy, schism and scandal, and challenging you – if this New Religion does indeed come from Christ – to proclaim this solemnly in His Name, for it is one which all the Popes before you had branded as the offspring of Lucifer."

Your response? "You are the apostate, self-annointed judge of popes. You invoke "charity," yet St. Thomas Aquinas states that the first requirement of charity is truth. Quite untruthful of you to distort a process which brought a formal process before the Pope, asking him to infallibly judge the case. The Novus Ordo Catholic is oh so predictable. If the Novus Ordo Catholic disagrees with the Pope regarding a declaration of war, no problem. If the Traditional Catholic notes that a formal process has been entered against the Pope, in his capacity as a private theologian, asking the Pope to infallibly judge the case, that Traditional Catholic is an apostate, self-annointed judge of popes.. How "charitable."

"Strange indeed, and both sad and terrifying, are the audacity and rashness of spirit of men who call themselves Catholic and dream of founding society anew in such conditions and of establishing upon earth, independently of the Catholic Church, 'the reign of justice and of love', with the help of all who come, of whatever religion or none at all, with or without beliefs, provided only that they are prepared to forget that which divides them – their religious and philosophical beliefs, and to concentrate on what unites them – a generous idealism and certain moral forces 'of whatever origin'. It is frightening... The result of such promiscuity of labour, the beneficiary of such cosmopolitan social action can only be a democracy which is neither Catholic, nor Protestant, nor Jewish: a religion more universal than the Catholic Church, uniting all men thus finally become brothers and comrades in 'the reign of God'. 'To work no longer for the Church, but for mankind'... this is organised Apostasy." (St Pius X, Letter on the Sillon)

You post That a pope expressing hope that the major monotheistic peoples might come "to mutual respect, understanding and peaceful coexistence" is apostasy to you speaks volumes.. Your post "speaks volumes".

291 posted on 05/20/2003 11:52:41 AM PDT by Francisco
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To: Francisco
You have a problem with respect, understanding and peaceful coexistence.

That's fine. But it isn't "Catholic" to disrespect, misunderstand and disturb the peace.

Neither is it "Catholic" to take things out of context.

SD

292 posted on 05/20/2003 11:58:38 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Francisco
If the Novus Ordo Catholic disagrees with the Pope regarding a declaration of war, no problem. If the Traditional Catholic notes that a formal process has been entered against the Pope, in his capacity as a private theologian, asking the Pope to infallibly judge the case, that Traditional Catholic is an apostate, self-annointed judge of popes..

You hit the nail right on the head.

296 posted on 05/20/2003 12:13:36 PM PDT by Aloysius
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