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To: Polycarp; patent
Catholicism is, of course, an objective fact. One is either Catholic or not Catholic.

Those who are immersed in and drowning (or long since drowned) in the waters of the "spirit of Vatican II" as opposed to the work of the Council itself, those who favor "equal rights" for practitioners of anal sex before the law, those who are loyal to the teachings of the Voice of the Faithful or of "Sister" Hobday or other witches (do we spell that differently in our centuries as Van Johnson said in Brigadoon?) but never a default position showing proper respect for the papacy, and others of their ilk may disagree and think Catholicism is subjective and in the eye of the beholder or that AmChurch leftism equates to Catholicism which it certainly does not.

You are a Catholic. You are the standard and among those who are the standard. The winds of change blow in a new direction consistent with the history of the actual Roman Catholic Church, as indicated by Cardinal Arinze, and by Dario Cardinal Castrillon de Hoyos's Tridentine Mass at St. Mary Maggiore on May 25, and by the upcoming Vatican liturgical crackdown on "do-it-yourself" Masses, as Cardinal Arinze termed it, and the expansion of the Mass of our ancestors to a matter of right. Such a grave rejection of a rapidly aging generation of revolutionary AmChurch bishops, dying and retiring in increasing numbers and many replaced by Catholic successors. They have stood in the hallway and blocked up the doors to Catholicism for too, too long. Wait for the AmChurch whining if Cardinal McPhony is indicted! Sweet music! We are about to enter a no-Kumbaya zone!

Patent was back at his post just a few days ago and doing his usual level-headed and orthodox job.

Aren't the sedevacantists the ones who make a career of pope-bashing, even if they are minor clergy?

The "far right", according to the termites of AmChurch is anyone who is Catholic like thee, like me, like those allergic to Kumbayaism in all its forms. Their termite dreams die but die hard. Tough! They should not let the door, etc.

185 posted on 05/19/2003 1:54:34 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Kumbayaisma delenda est.!)
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To: BlackElk; huskyboy
Thanks to both of you for stating some things about being "Catholic" that I was beginning to think I alone believed. After being on these threads for a couple of years now I think the "right",who stand outside and accuse,are at least speaking "truth",albeit from their perspective. In my mind they miss a bit,but they admit to their position vis-a-vis the Catholic Church.

I find those who insinuate themselves onto these threads,identifying themselves as catholic but never coming out with any statements or opinions that show support for anything except those things that endorse or promote "change", are far more dangerous to the Church and the world. I don't want to offend anyoone,but my grandma always said "better the devil you know than the devil you don't know". I appreciate the candor of most of the "traditional preference" folks,but I wish they would give the rest of us the benefit of acknowledging that we do know what they are saying but we think the fight is within the boundaries of those "professing" to be in union with the Pope within the Catholic Church.As the Pope has said "we must smother error with truth".

208 posted on 05/19/2003 3:27:20 PM PDT by saradippity
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