[ultima ratio]

Even non-Catholic liturgies may be valid. For instance, the Orthodox have valid Consecrations, celebrated by validly ordained priests. In the N.O. you have a valid Consecration, celebrated by a validly ordained priest, but this is done not to offer a present unbloody sacrifice of Christ Himself to the Father so much as to commemorate at a memorial meal the Sacrifice that had already happened--as Protestants would say, once and for all--two thousand years ago. Such a liturgy had been specifically condemned by Trent.

[drstevej]

So, the NO -as a memorial- offers the communicant bread rather than the body and blood of Christ? And RCs regularly attending NO mass are missing the Real Presence? Or are you saying that the NO priest does one thing (transubstantiates the elements) and calls it another (a memorial)?

I'm getting confused, better help your future Pope out a bit.

[SoothingDave]

In the N.O. you have a valid Consecration, celebrated by a validly ordained priest, but this is done not to offer a present unbloody sacrifice of Christ Himself to the Father so much as to commemorate at a memorial meal the Sacrifice that had already happened

It's funny, cause I was raised post-Vatican II, in the NO Mass, and the references to it being a sacrifice or an offering are clear to me. They are in English, even.

How can you miss them?

SD