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To: eastsider
***I read it as an extension of Theotokos ***

I realize the rationale, but in so extrapolating have you distorted the truth and introduced confusion at best. My problem with theotokos is that the term while true in one sense lends itself to many wrong conclusions and deductions.

Your explanation

***Jesus is "our entire supernatural life." Mary is the mother of Jesus. Therefore, Mary is the mother of "our entire supernatural life." ***

is more of the same.

17 posted on 05/14/2003 9:10:14 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
[T]he term [Theotokos] while true in one sense lends itself to many wrong conclusions and deductions.
So does the phrase, Jesus is a man. Both term and phrase are meditations on the mystery of the Incarnation. The Incarnation is a mystery not because we can't discuss aspects of it, but because we can never fully comprehend it. At the end of the day, all our articulations of the Incarnation will be inadequate.
18 posted on 05/14/2003 9:42:17 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: drstevej
I realize the rationale, but in so extrapolating have you distorted the truth and introduced confusion at best. My problem with theotokos is that the term while true in one sense lends itself to many wrong conclusions and deductions.

'tis no more dangerous to the ill-educated, in fact much less so, than proclaiming that salvation is by "faith alone."

SD

24 posted on 05/14/2003 10:36:33 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: drstevej
Christos Voskrese!

I realize the rationale, but in so extrapolating have you distorted the truth and introduced confusion at best. My problem with theotokos is that the term while true in one sense lends itself to many wrong conclusions and deductions.

Ohh, gotta run, but quickly...

There's a history to wrong conclusions and deductions, and then there is the Holy Spirit to guide and protect the Church into all Truth.

The issue here, historically speaking, is the hypostatic union of the Divine and Human natures in the one Person of the Eternal Son of God. That is, the Incarnation of the 2nd Person of the Blessed Trinity as Jesus Christ. The mystery of the Theotokos, is the mystery of the Incarnation of God.

In order to understand correctly Who and What Jesus is exactly, requires the understanding of Mary as the Theotokos, the "God bearer". If Jesus is truly the Son of God, and if He truly became a Man without changing His Divinity, then Mary is truly the Mother of God! This, of course, assumes you have a hold on the impossible to comprehend mystery of the Blessed Trinity first!

The Councils of Ephesus, Chalcedon. The heretics Nestorius, Julian the Apsostate, Apollinaris, etc, etc. St. Cyril of Alexandria, Pope Sixtus III, St. Celestine, Pope Leo the Great. Origen, Methodius, Athanasius, Basil, Epiphanius, St. Sophronius of Jerusalem, Ephrem, etc, etc. This battle has been fought and won long ago - despite wrong conclusions and deductions.

49 posted on 05/14/2003 1:55:26 PM PDT by TotusTuus ( Voistinu Voskrese!)
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