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To: sinkspur
What "truth"? That the Tridentine Mass was normative for five hundred years, but that the Novus Ordo is now?

The truth is, the only true Mass in the Latin rite is the one codified and canonized by Pope St. Pius V. The novus ordo is not a Mass at all, based on what he wrote in Quo Primum.

The other truth is, the Mass in the Latin rite was always said in Latin from the beginning - but over time there were regional variations, which Pope St. Pius V sought remove because of the bad influences around during the Reformation.

You may want to read The Great Sacrilege by Fr. James Wathen. Many of things you've posted regarding the novus ordo have been refuted by this book.

41 posted on 05/13/2003 4:22:14 PM PDT by huskyboy (Caution, you're now in the "integrist zone"!)
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To: huskyboy
The truth is, the only true Mass in the Latin rite is the one codified and canonized by Pope St. Pius V. The novus ordo is not a Mass at all, based on what he wrote in Quo Primum.

No pope can bind another pope on matters liturgical. Pius XII changed the Holy Week ceremonies before Vatican II.

The Mass is the Mass, no matter what Wathen says. This has been argued ad nauseam here, for two years, and the traditionalists ultimately boil down their argument to saying that the Novus Ordo doesn't emphasize the sacrificial aspect of the Mass enough.

Of course, what's behind that is the flawed logic that the Holy Spirit is somehow less with Paul VI and JP II than He was with Pius V.

It's OK not to like the Novus Ordo, which is why I believe the Tridentine Mass should be made available widely.

But you are dreaming if you think the Novus Ordo is going to be suppressed any time soon.

44 posted on 05/13/2003 4:31:24 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: huskyboy
you might be interested to know that during the Jesuit missions to China permission was given (but not ever used) by the Pope for the liturgy to be said in Chinese. This was not long after Trent.
182 posted on 05/14/2003 1:17:13 AM PDT by pseudo-ignatius
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