[Desdemona]

All Vatican II did was put a dent in the defenses of the church which were exploited for nefarious purposes. It started with good intentions, I think, but anytime guard is lowered, someone or something will try to take advantage. That's what happened.

Truthfully, the roots of the collapse were embedded in secular thinking not quite 200 years before Vatican II and it crept into "spiritual" life. Vatican II was just a catalyst. The council could not help that.

And, contrary to popular belief, Vatican II really didn't ruin much of anything doctrinally speaking. Those who sought change in the liiturgy used it as an excuse, and it is now beginning to be recognized that Vatican II never authorized the changes. Honest reporting does wonders.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

It started with good intentions

Bzzzztt!

A flawed assumption. Go back to Start.

I encourage you to read "The Undermining of the Catholic Church" by Mary Ball Martinez. It will explain the history behind the last one hundred years through the eyes of one who saw much of it first hand.

The planning for Vatican II and the abominable Liturgical changes started under Pope Pius XII. Pius XII is the one who "Novus Ordo'ed" Holy Week and the Calendar and the Psalter. These were the model for what was to follow.

Vatican II really didn't ruin much of anything doctrinally speaking

Many of us disagree with you on that point.