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To: Blzbba
Folks who live in glass houses shouldn't be hurling rocks!

ET says that Jesus was a failure, that Paul is a false Apostle and that righteousness comes from good works and not from the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross. Now based on those statements are you willing to make a judgement about his salvation? Or are you so wishy washy in your own theology that anything goes?

76 posted on 05/05/2003 2:17:50 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
ET says that Jesus was a failure,

Not quite. Here's what I said in #18
*That is why Jesus' mission failed.*

His mission was to preach repentance, and to get Israel to repent, and become Holy and Priestly so that the Kingdom could come.

But, he wasn't the first to fail in such a mission, as a messiah contender. And the others were usually caught and killed or fled, leaving their followers to die.

If anyone is to blame for his subsequent death, it may be his followers, that may have been too eager to spread the word on who he was, when he had asked them not to.

He may have allowed himself to die, to protect his followers, and in that sense could be seen as having died for 'their' sins.

But, that's about as far as it goes. I pointed out earlier that God didn't want sacrifices. If you look at the history of sacrifices in the OT, you'll see that after the fall, is when sacrifices started. They were meant as a means of fellowship. Not for forgiveness of sin. They were used to draw closer to God. At first they were done whenever the person wanted to do them. Then it became when God commanded them. Then with Abraham/Isaac he replaced Isaac with the Ram.

He was showing that he wanted NO human sacrifices. He was weaning them away from sacrifices. In the atonement it was about confession, prayer, repentance.

The blood was not the issue, it was the SOUL. The soul was found in the blood. You got closer to God by confessing, and repenting. God was gradually showing people how to get closer to God, through confession, prayer and repentance, and not sacrifice.

96 posted on 05/05/2003 5:56:41 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Deut. 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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