[Dr. Eckleburg]

Rick Warren

Are they planning on wearing Hawaiian shirts in the pulpit, too?

We've been to Saddleback services a few times with relatives. Our younger son calls it "Church du Soleil."

It's "church as therapy." Their guideline is "what has church done for you lately?" They have it backwards.

Warren's made a fortune on that book, and God is not the richer for it, IMO.

"Worship is an end to itself; not a means to an end."

Great line, OldCodger. The antithesis of Saddleback.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

For my congregation to implement "The Purpose Driven Heresy", we will have to petition the denomination to make changes to the Westminster Longer Catechism and change the first question from:

Q) What is the Chief and Greatest End of Man?
A) The Chief and Greatest end of Man is to Glorify God and Fully to Enjoy Him Forever.

To the New American Slandard Version of the Catechism that reads:

Q) What is the Chief and Greatest End of Man?
A) The Chief and Greatest End of Man is to Glorify Himself and to have God Fully Enjoy Man Forever.

This is where that kind of "worship" leads us. And here is a question for all concerned: If we cannot show respect and reverence for God in our worship, how are we going to treat one another?

Think about that one.

[Corin Stormhands]

Where/what is "Saddleback?"

Is it "Willow Creekish?"