The baptismal "pool" from Colleen's parish. Also doubles for the blessing of the animals.
Posted on 05/02/2003 7:36:55 AM PDT by Tantumergo
The Pope might soon allow the world's Catholic priests the right to celebrate the old rite Latin Mass on Sundays and holy days without the permission of their bishops, according to sources close to the Vatican.
John Paul II is understood to be ready to grant a "universal indult" by the end of the year to permit all priests to choose freely between the celebration of Mass in the so-called Tridentine rite used up to 1962 - before the disciplinary reforms of the Second Vatican Council - and the novus ordo Mass used after 1970.
It will mean that a priest who wants to celebrate old rite Masses will no longer need to apply for an indult to Ecclesia Dei, a pontifical commission set up to study the implications of the Lefebvrist schism, after first gaining permission from his bishop. The indult may be announced as part of the publication of forthcoming juridical notes on Ecclesia de Eucharistia, the new encyclical on the Eucharist, published on Holy Thursday, in which the Pope affirmed the Church's traditional teaching of the sacrificial nature of the Mass.
It might also be announced at the Basilica of St Mary Major in Rome on May 24, when Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, the Prefect for the Congregation of the Clergy and the president of Ecclesia Dei, becomes the first cardinal prefect to celebrate an old rite Mass in a main Roman basilica for 30 years. Organised by the Latin Mass movement, Una Voce, the event is one of many indications that Rome is dropping restrictions on the celebration of the old rite.
Last month, the Holy Father, who celebrated a Tridentine Mass last summer, published a command called Rescriptum ex Audientia to authorise the celebration of the old rite Mass in St Peter's Basilica, Rome, by any priest who possessed an indult. The Vatican also asked the Scottish bishops, ahead of their five-yearly ad limina visit to Rome in March, to reveal what provisions they made for the celebration of the old rite Mass in their dioceses. Since the meeting, the Scottish bishops have stepped up their provision from just four a year in the whole of the country to at least one a month in Glasgow and Edinburgh.
The same requests have been made in a questionnaire to the English and Welsh bishops, whose next ad limina visit to Rome will take place in the autumn. The bishops have invited the Latin Mass Society (LMS), set up to promote the practice of the old rite, to submit a report on the provision of the Tridentine Mass ahead of their low week meeting in London this week when they were scheduled to discuss the issue.
John Medlin, LMS development officer, confirmed that a "full document" had been circulated to the bishops but refused to discuss its contents.
Change "judge me" to "advise me" and "liars" to "misleaders" and it's perfect.
LOL...
We got a big blue plastic kiddie pool.
There is a priest, Fr. Michael Himes (Theology professor out of Boston College, a course!) who goes around the country giving seminars regarding Christian baptism. He says a return to the "original" church, in the "spirit of Vatican II" means a pool (literally) at the front of every parish as you walk in. He says we don't get grace from baptism, it is a "welcoming into the Christian community." Hence, the large welcoming "babbling brooks" in celebration of baptism.
Fr. Himes is not a fan of Ex Corde Ecclesiae and is another one of "those" Jesuits. Yep, you guessed it, hard to find him in a "collar" and he is over 55.
Don't get me started! ;-)
While I don't have any documentation, I would say that more churches were built before 1965 than after 1965.
When you make wild and crazy statements like that, you really should cite your sources. Otherwise, people won't take you series like. ;-)
You mean that's not what it is all about?? ;-)
It's funny you should mention that. My newborn daughter was just baptized in the Tridentine Rite this past Sunday.
As new converts, my wife, daughter and I were baptized on last Holy Saturday in the Tridentine Rite also. - The most beautiful ceremony I have ever been a part of - even moreso than my own wedding 11 years ago.
It may not be very apparent in some parts of the country, but many lifelong Catholics I know are sure of the Church's return to pre-VII traditions.
Welcome to the one, true Faith! I think I just made it in under the wire for being baptized in the Tridentine Rite before the VII "reforms" were implemented. However, being an infant at the time, I don't remember much. ;-)
Congratulations to you and your family.
The baptismal "pool" from Colleen's parish. Also doubles for the blessing of the animals.
I was looking around for some funky baptismal pool pictures to post here and came across this gem:Catholic bishops and theologians say immersion highlights the importance of the baptismal ceremony, which in recent decades had become a simple rite administered to infants. In the words of the Rev. Richard P. O'Brien, who teaches theology at the University of Notre Dame, it "could be forgotten -- almost like a vaccination."
OK. I don't remember my own pre-Vat II baptism, but I was thinking of the baptismal scene in The Godfather and wondering what could be more beautiful and inspiring than the "old baptismal rite." So they jettisoned that in the 60s or 70s and substituted a blandish, nice ceremony. Then a few years later, they realize how bland it is and instead of (God forbid) reversing the steamroller and going back to what worked for centuries, they innovate even further, install babbling brooks for full body immersion to amaze and thrill the spectators. WHAT AN EXPERIENCE!!! WE WON'T FORGET THIS!!! IT IS SO RELEVANT AND TODAY!! I AM SO FULFILLED!!! what is baptism again???
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