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To: american colleen
Wrong. I never questioned the validity of either the Council or Bugnini's Mass. I do think they were unwise and harmful, however--not the same thing.

My point with NYer was in reference to his comment that he follows the Magisterium and thinks this makes him a better Catholic than someone who sticks with tradition when it is opposed by the Pope. Sorry, but if the Magisterium is out of line with past teachings and tradition, it cannot be infallible and will lead its followers down a blind alley.

As for these FAQ postings lifted from an SSPX website--they have no more authority than a Q&A in your local diocesan newspaper. These are not official positions. In fact, if you study the official documents of the Society, you will find they are marked by balance and good sense.
31 posted on 04/25/2003 8:59:33 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Wrong. I never questioned the validity of either the Council or Bugnini's Mass. I do think they were unwise and harmful, however--not the same thing.

OK, sorry, but I thought I'd read posts of yours that question whether Vat II was a legit council. I could be wrong, and you know best what is in your own mind ;-)

My point with NYer was in reference to his comment that he follows the Magisterium and thinks this makes him a better Catholic than someone who sticks with tradition when it is opposed by the Pope. Sorry, but if the Magisterium is out of line with past teachings and tradition, it cannot be infallible and will lead its followers down a blind alley.

NYer is a chick, not a he!!! Where did NYer say that following the Magisterium makes her a better Catholic than someone who sticks with tradition? Isn't the Church a "three legged stool?"

I guess the Orthodox thought the pope opposed tradition as well. Did you know that tradition at one time had the priest on the altar behind a curtain - hidden from the view of the people in the pews? Was changing that putting the pope on the other side of tradition, and therefore, was he in error?

Extrapolating on your last sentence, if you think the (current) Magisterium is out of line with past tradition and teachings, then you believe that Jesus Christ has abandoned the Church, wouldn't that follow?

And thanks once again for setting me straight on the original SSPX post. I'm glad to know that this post is not representative of the entire SSPX.

37 posted on 04/25/2003 9:14:36 PM PDT by american colleen
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