To: P-Marlowe; drstevej
Arminianism would claim that a man must still cooperate with God to be saved, whereas Calvinism claims that God will make that man cooperate.
(Wouldn't you agree, Steve?)
9 posted on
04/19/2003 10:49:35 AM PDT by
jude24
("Facts? You can use facts to prove anything that's even REMOTELY true!" - Homer Simpson)
To: jude24; drstevej
But that's not what the statement says. the statement was that Jesus Christ came to save, not to assist people in saving themselves.
I don't believe that Arminians believe that they save themselves. It is the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross that saves. It is the Holy Spirit's working on the person that brings them to salvation.
But no thinking Arminian thinks that they save themselves. The statement of Warfield applies to Arminians as well as Calvinists. Warfield makes that statement (and Dr Steve emphasized it) apparently to set Calvinism apart from other theological systems. The problem is that those sentiments are not exclusive to Calvinism.
To: jude24; P-Marlowe; ultima ratio
***Arminianism would claim that a man must still cooperate with God to be saved, whereas Calvinism claims that God will make that man cooperate. ***
Yep, I would agree. BTW, this is the same point Ultima makes in his reply. Arminianism and Catholicism share a semi-Pelagian heritage. Calvinism draws for Augustine.
11 posted on
04/19/2003 10:55:36 AM PDT by
drstevej
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