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To: fortheDeclaration
Volition. The choice to choose for truth or against it.

Every man has the God given right to choose FTD. Every man will do what he will. Teir eternal problem is what they will choose without the grace of God

    Rom 3:10   As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:   

  Rom 3:11   There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

     Rom 3:12   They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

729 posted on 05/06/2003 7:42:53 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; Corin Stormhands
Volition. The choice to choose for truth or against it. Every man has the God given right to choose FTD. Every man will do what he will. Teir eternal problem is what they will choose without the grace of God

Yes, and all men receive the grace of God, which reveals Himself, first through nature then through the Gospel.

In Romans 1:21 we read that the heathen knew God, but rejected Him.

In Romans. 2:18, Paul says that the unsaved Jew knows God will and 'approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed in the law' yet resists God (Acts. 7:51)

We see examples of unsaved people seeking God in the person of Cornilus (Acts 10-11).

God seeks the unsaved first via natural theology and conscience and if that person is receptive, then the Gospel.

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Hyperbolic statements made to make a point that the Jew was no better then the Jew.

That same passage also states that there is 'no fear of God before their eyes' yet we saw the Pharoah afraid of God in Gen.20 and the sailors afraid God's wrath in Jonah.

What you want to make those passages say is that even though God seeks man through nature (Psa.19, Rom.1) revealing Himself so that man will begin to seek Him, that man cannot respond to God's grace unless already unconditionally elected.

Hence, the need for Calvinism to stress regeneration preceding (at least logically) faith.

Every false faith has its 'proof-texts', the issue is, are they consistent with the rest of scripture. Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Did the 'good' Samaritan do good?

Now, that 'good' will not get him saved, but it nevertheless is still a 'good' that God commands.

Out of context'proof-texts' are much easier to handle then the entire realm of scripture.

739 posted on 05/06/2003 12:57:49 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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