Explain how reliance on the promises of God could be considered a logical inconsistency.
I am not responsible for keeping myself saved. What is logically inconsistent about that? You calvinists are stuck with the logical inconsistency of claiming that nothing you can do can change whether or not you are an "elect", that if you are an "elect" God will make you an "elect" no matter what you do in this life, yet if you claim to be an elect, the only way you will know is not if you "believe" but if YOU perservere.
I will perservere because I believe, not because I try to be a good person.
So keep trying, Mom. Your efforts to do good works in order to ensure your salvation appears to be evidence that you don't believe. It is evidence that you cannot accept the promise of God that those who believe HAVE eternal life. If you don't want to accept that promise, then it would seem that you have rejected that promise. Pity.
I'll rely on the promises of God. Not on my subjective feelings that maybe what I am feeling is the Holy Spirit. I know it is the Holy Spirit because I am relying on the word of God and the promises of God. The [FR 5th Amemdments] claim to have the witness of the Holy Spirit. Do they? I believe that their witness is not in line with the scriptures thus their subjective feelings are not the Holy Spirit.
So go ahead and rely on your subjective feelings of electness, and the evidence of Good deeds. That is what the [FR 5th Amendments] do. See how far that gets you. If you cannot rely totally on the promises of God as given in the scripture, then I personally think it is evidence of unbelief.
But you are responsible for saving your self. You had the free will to choose Christ or not. But once you choose him you lose your "free will" and can no longer vote pro or con on God..a puppet on a string.
There are scriptures that wesleyans will be glad to share that indicate you can lose your salvation so a claim to base your once saved always saved theology on scripture falls short ..
?You calvinists are stuck with the logical inconsistency of claiming that nothing you can do can change whether or not you are an "elect", that if you are an "elect" God will make you an "elect" no matter what you do in this life, yet if you claim to be an elect, the only way you will know is not if you "believe" but if YOU perservere.
Actually eternal security is ONLY consistant with Reform theology
God elects to salvation ..for all time and all eternity it was HIS choice. He drew us to Himself with His grace. He gave us the gift of new life , His word gave us faith and we repented and believed . Not because we were smarter ot had more self control than anyone.. He knew us from before the foundation of the world, He chose us and he keeps us..
I will perservere because I believe, not because I try to be a good person.
What if you stop believing?
So keep trying, Mom. Your efforts to do good works in order to ensure your salvation appears to be evidence that you don't believe. It is evidence that you cannot accept the promise of God that those who believe HAVE eternal life. If you don't want to accept that promise, then it would seem that you have rejected that promise. Pity.
Marlowe you are a good lawyer..but it is bad form to misstate anothers position like that .Some might even say it is an attempt to sway the jury:>). My salvation is not by works it is by grace..I am saved and kept by grace. That is why it is called mercy
I'll rely on the promises of God. Not on my subjective feelings that maybe what I am feeling is the Holy Spirit.
I rely totally on the word of God Marlowe ..
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
2Cr 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing [is] God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son
God is faithful and true I can lean on His word as reassurence ..but even that is a mark of the Holy Spirit ..feelings are subjective BUT through it all..trial , pain , sadness I KNOW that I know that I know ...His word is true.