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To: P-Marlowe
Actually, I believe it is true. You may not believe it consciously (I don't believe many Arminians do), but it is an outcome of your theology and your cronies have said worse things about Calvinism. I guess you just don't like it when something gets tossed back in your face.

You believe you don't need God to cause your entire conversion process, but instead you just need him to actually do the saving. That is enough in my opinion to establish my tagline as correct when considering the theological endpoints your beliefs lead to.

530 posted on 04/28/2003 9:31:21 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (Arminian: person believing the Fall no longer binds and that he can pick himself back up without God)
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To: rwfromkansas
You believe you don't need God to cause your entire conversion process

Again, that is a lie. Geesh RW can't you stop? Can't you just accept that some of us who are not Calvinists actually believe that God is wholly responsible for our salvation? It is the damnation that is the problem. Men are wholly responsible not for their salvation, but for their damnation. It is the rejection of God's calling that seals their fate. Answering the call seals their salvation. "Behold I stand at the door and knock and if ANY MAN hears my voice and OPENS THE DOOR, I will come in with him, and sup with him and he with me." (God's part--to knock, my part-- to open).

That verse saved my life. I heard the knock, but I had to open the door. I had locked and bolted that door with a hundred locks, but when I heard God's call, I pulled aside the locks and opened the door. If that is works, then I suppose you could say I was saved by works. But answering the call to grace is only "works" to a heartless rigid Theologian who places God sovereignty on a pedesal and places god's love for the sinner and the reprobate in the round file.

Salvation is there for the asking. God is calling. He is knocking. God is not insincere in his call to all men to repent, as it appears many Calvninsts believe, but God sincerely wants all men to be saved. Even you RW.

539 posted on 04/28/2003 9:52:34 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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