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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
DID GOD CREATE EVIL, YES OR NO?

No.

God created free-will, which carries with it the potential for evil. "Evil" or in this contextm "sin," is direct rebellion against God. Thus God cannot create "Evil" in that sense any more than God can make a rock so big that he cannot move it. There are some things that God cannot do because it is either against his word, or it is logically impossible.

It is impossible for God to sin or to create sin since sin only occurs when someone acts in direct violation of the express will of God. So if someone is doing what God intended and willed and compelled him to do, even if it is "evil" then the action is not sin since it is done in accordance with God's will.

The Bible does mention that God does "evil". But in that context it is clear that what it means is that God brings destruction on his creation. But it is not "evil" when God does it, it is just and is in full accordance with his laws and his word.

So, when Lucifer sinned, did he sin because he exercised his free will to sin against God, or did God compel him to sin in order that some hidden purpose of God could be accomplished that could not have been accomplished without Lucifer sinning?

I vote for the former.

444 posted on 04/28/2003 3:46:35 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
God created free-will, which carries with it the potential for evil. "Evil" or in this contextm "sin," is direct rebellion against God. Thus God cannot create "Evil" in that sense any more than God can make a rock so big that he cannot move it. There are some things that God cannot do because it is either against his word, or it is logically impossible.

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Thanks for providing a direct answer to the question, i hate wasting time. Now to your response

God created free-will, which carries with it the potential for evil. "Evil" or in this contextm "sin," is direct rebellion against God. Thus God cannot create "Evil" in that sense any more than God can make a rock so big that he cannot move it. There are some things that God cannot do because it is either against his word, or it is logically impossible.

OBJECTION! Presumes as fact matters not in evidence. i do not find the concept of free will articulated anywhere in the passages of scripture, EXCEPT in reference to God. Even if free will can be established for Created beings, it must then be established that free will is an immutable attribute of the created being.

This leads to yet another problem: If God forknew Satan's rebellion, why did He then continue with the determination to create a being who is determined to bring corruption and death to a creation that God says is "very good", requiring the ultimate destruction of that creation (II Peter 3:10)?If God went ahead with the creation of Lucifer, knowing the outcome, then God must be ultimately responsible for evil. Lucifer cannot make a choice if the option does not exist...created by who?

Surely you will say to me something along the lines of "God did not make robots.", to which i reply why not? Even we make robots capable of choice? This does not prove free will.

It is impossible for God to sin or to create sin since sin only occurs when someone acts in direct violation of the express will of God. So if someone is doing what God intended and willed and compelled him to do, even if it is "evil" then the action is not sin since it is done in accordance with God's will.

Here i fear that you have made a contradiction, round about for certain, but a contradiction none the less. IF God has perfect foreknowlege of all things, including the possible contingincies (forgive the spelling!) THEN He, in going ahead with that particular creation, is the ultimate cause of evil and sin. This, as you have stated above is impossible, therefore the God you describe is impossible, and cannot exist.

The Bible does mention that God does "evil". But in that context it is clear that what it means is that God brings destruction on his creation. But it is not "evil" when God does it, it is just and is in full accordance with his laws and his word.

So then, God is NOT holding His Own Character to the same standard of Justice that He holds His Creation? Then it would appear that THE GOD WHO DOES NOT CHANGE is also not true. Again, that God does not exist if scripture be correct.

So, when Lucifer sinned, did he sin because he exercised his free will to sin against God, or did God compel him to sin in order that some hidden purpose of God could be accomplished that could not have been accomplished without Lucifer sinning?

Once again Counciller, you are entering matters not in evidence as if they were fact.

So, in the spirit of grace, i ask again, did God create evil, yes or no?

452 posted on 04/28/2003 5:07:59 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (He must increase, but I must decrease)
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