[P-Marlowe]

Apparently he rejects the sovereignty of God.

Ping me when you post an accusation against me.

Now in what way do I deny that God is Sovereign? How is sovereign defined?

Do you believe that God creates most men for the sole purpose of roasting them in hell forever?
Do you believe that God loves only the elect and that he hates everyone else?

If the key to God's sovereignty is a yes answer to both those questions, then I suppose I would deny God's sovereignty.

So what is it about what I have said that makes you think I deny God's sovereignty?

BTW, I could accuse you of denying God's love. How would you respond to that?

[rwfromkansas]

I believe that God does whatever he pleases in heaven on Earth, as Scripture dictates. That is the Biblical vieew of sovereignty and why I said you apparently do not believe such. You reject the view that God does with his creatures as his pleasure deems appropriate.

I do not deny God's love; his love is greater than any Arminian can comprehend. Rather than leaving it up to us....when we all would have rejected him....God took it upon himself to effectually call us out of darkness and redeem us.....an innumerable part of the human race that one can't limit by saying "most men" will go to hell or something. I don't know the number, but I know he has chosen to "save many." That is adequate and the fact that a God would choose to save such worms as us, to even look on our rebellious faces.......that is love enough for me.

[rwfromkansas]

I do not need love to be focused on my ability to choose, as that is a self-centered love, a love that is "all about me."

My idea of the love of God is not "all about me," but all about the Cross and God choosing to grant me grace despite my blasphemy, my pride, my wandering ways.

And if you believe that for God to be loving, he has to give everyone a "choice," I think you are limiting the amazingness of grace.