[Corin Stormhands]

I'll comment Marlowe.

Proof that these guys think Calvinism is more important than anything else.

I only came back on these threads to protest the heavy-handiness of the [FR 5th Amendment]s. I am reminded now why I left in the first place.

And why I won't bother spending too much time here anymore.

That's a pretty arrogant statement Rn. Even for you.

[P-Marlowe]

For some people an insistence that others understand how it is that they get saved is infintitely more important than the fact that people get saved. Thus they tend to question the very salvation of people who don't think exactly the same way that they do on this subject. It is as if "Calvinsim" is somehow the sole Fruit of the Spirit by which others may guage your salvation.

It is sad.

[fortheDeclaration]

The exact formulation of the formative principle of Calvinism, as I have said, has taxed the acumen of a long line of distinguished thinkers. Many modes of stating it have been proposed. Perhaps after all, however, its simplest statement is the best. It lies then, let me repeat, in a profound apprehension of God in His majesty, with the poignant realization which inevitably accompanies this apprehension, of the relation sustained to God by the creature as such, and particularly by the sinful creature. The Calvinist is the man who has seen God, and who, having seen God in His glory, is filled on the one hand, with a sense of his own unworthiness to stand in God's sight as a creature, and much more as a sinner, and on the other hand, with adoring wonder that nevertheless this God is a God who receives sinners. He who believes in God without reserve and is determined that God shall be God to him, in all his thinking, feeling, willing--in the entire compass of his life activities, intellectual, moral, spiritual--throughout all his individual, social, religious relations--is, by the force of that strictest of all logic which presides over the outworking of principles into thought and life, by the very necessity of the case, a Calvinist.

If Predestination isn't the key issue in Calvinism (which Warfield states it isn't)

But rather love and awe of God which makes one a Calvinist, then Arminius and Wesley were among the first-rank of all Calvinists!

No two men held God in higher esteem and awe while seeing the corruption and depravity of man.

It is only when you bring in Predestination and mans ability to choose or not choose to receive or reject God that one now becomes a Non-Calvinist (but still a very good Christian).

So, it is Predestination that is the central issue of Calvinism despite Warfields claim otherwise.

[RnMomof7]

That's a pretty arrogant statement Rn. Even for you

It was Marlowe that was attempting to color the calvinists here are "hyper Calvinist" ..That was arrogant and an attempt to prejudice readers .

Marlowe doesn't like the question Corin..because it shows we are not really all that far apart.

Does God foreknow with assurity those that will choose Him so He can choose them?

Does God know with certainity those that will never choose Him?

Is it not true that God creates those that HE FOREKNOWS will never choose him anyway damning them to eternity in the fire?

[JesseShurun]

Corin, you are a funny and very bright individual. Stay and add your voice to these discussions. I have enjoyed this thread, the first one in months. Don't take everything personally, have fun. We like you