[drstevej]

***I find his ideas to be...well...sinister, definitely paganistic, possibly satanic, but certainly not Christian.***

Hey, I can handle the bluntness without whacking the abuse button & whining to the mods like the followers of the peepstone prophet.

All people apart from Christ are spiritually dead (not sick or weak). Dead folk don't grab the lifeline.

Here's a quiz for you. WHO WROTE THIS ???

Idle and a fool in God's wisdom, I was misled by an unorthodox error at a time when I was still pursuing philosophical studies. Sometimes I went to listen to the theologians discussing this matter [of grace and free will], and the school of Pelagius seemed to me nearest the truth... In this philosophical faculty I seldom heard a reference to grace, except for some ambiguous remarks. What I heard day in and day out was that we are masters of our own free acts, that ours is the choice to act well or badly, to have virtues or sins, and much more along this line... But every time I listened to the Epistle reading in church and heard how Paul magnified grace and belittled free will--as in the case in Romans 9, "It is obviously not a question of human will and effort, but of divine mercy," and its many parallels--grace displeased me, ungrateful as I was... However, even before I transferred to the faculty of theology, the text mentioned came to me as a beam of grace and, captured by a vision of the truth, it seemed I saw from afar how the grace of God precedes all good works... That is why I express my gratitude to Him who has given me this grace as a gift.

[drstevej]

WHO WROTE THIS ???


Answer: Thomas Bradwardine (1290-1349)

[P-Marlowe]

Dead folk don't grab the lifeline.

Can a dead man displease God?

Can a dead man sin?

Can a dead man despise or reject Christ?

Can a dead man resist the Holy Spirit?

Can a dead man reject the Gospel?

Is a dead man responsible for his "actions"?

And how is a dead man any different from a dead baby?

[jude24]

Hey, I can handle the bluntness without whacking the abuse button & whining to the mods like the followers of the peepstone prophet.

I don't think bluntness is abuse....

(BTW: Polycarp -- cool name!)