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Pope's ruling bars Blair from taking Communion with family
The London Times ^ | April 17, 2003 | Richard Owen in Rome and Tom Baldwin

Posted on 04/17/2003 1:05:24 PM PDT by Willie Green

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ANY hope that Tony Blair had of enjoying a happy, Catholic Easter with his family will be crushed today by the Pope.

John Paul II is issuing a new encyclical that The Times has learnt will explicitly forbid Protestants like the Prime Minister taking Communion with Catholics such as Cherie Blair and their children.

The 83-year-old Pope has chosen Holy Week to stamp on what he sees as dangerously “liberal” interpretations of the Roman Catholic doctrine that only those “in full communion with Rome” can take part in the Eucharist.

Mr Blair, who remains a committed, if ecumenical, member of the Church of England, regularly attends Catholic Mass with his family. He also used to take Communion with them at the St Joan of Arc church in Islington.

But in 1996, he received a letter from Cardinal Basil Hume asking him to desist. In his reply, Mr Blair did not conceal his dismay at such theological conservatism. Saying that he merely wished to worship with his family but had not realised his behaviour was causing offence, he promised he would not do so again. The letter added: “I wonder what Jesus would have made of it?”

Since then Mr Blair, who admits he is strongly drawn to Catholicism, has more than once explored the limits of this doctrine. Britain has never had a Catholic prime minister and in 1998 he had to deny reports he had converted after being spotted going to Westminster Cathedral for Mass unaccompanied by his family. Suggestions that he had received the Eucharist on this occasion were never confirmed.

There have also been rumours that when Mr Blair is on holiday abroad he has taken Communion with his family.

The Pope´s fourteenth encyclical slams the door on the many Catholics and Protestants who currently take Communion together and represents a setback for Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, who is a firm advocate of ecumenism. When Mr Blair visited the Pope at the Vatican last month, he may have got a hint of what was to come. While his family went to take Communion with the Pope, the Prime Minister only received a blessing. The Pope also made it clear that he disagreed with Mr Blair about war in Iraq.


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1 posted on 04/17/2003 1:05:25 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Just like the Times to figure this as some type of shot at Blair.

SD

2 posted on 04/17/2003 1:07:30 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Willie Green
Underwhelming.
3 posted on 04/17/2003 1:07:43 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: Willie Green
Clinton did the same thing in an African Catholic church a few years ago.



4 posted on 04/17/2003 1:09:08 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: Willie Green
is this the same Pope that didn't want the Iraqi people freed? And didn't want the torture and murder to stop?

WHO THE F%$K CARES WHAT HE SAYS!!! HE'S LOST CREDIBILITY!!!
5 posted on 04/17/2003 1:10:34 PM PDT by bedolido
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To: Willie Green
Gasp! This has only been church law for hundreds of years. Not exactly "news."
6 posted on 04/17/2003 1:10:51 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: Willie Green
This has always been the case, unless special permission is obtained in an emergency situation.

I'm Anglican (Episcopalian), and have always known that I couldn't receive with my Catholic friends. The only exceptions have been when as a child I was on holiday with my family in remote areas of Latin American or the Caribbean and Christmas or Easter rolled around. Since those are Holy Days of Obligation, Episcopalians as well as Catholics are obligated to attend Mass on those days. If there was no Episcopal or Anglican church on the island or up in the hills of Mexico, my father would call on the local priest and lay our situation before him. (He doesn't speak Spanish but he speaks fluent Italian and we wandered all through Latin America on that basis with no problem.) The Catholic church has always allowed those who acknowledge the Real Presence in the Blessed Sacrament to receive in emergency situations, and since we do and it was an emergency, I can't remember a time when we were refused.

But you can't just show up at the rail when there's an Anglican church right down the road . . . :-D

I wonder if this message changes that old practice. I'll have to read it carefully when I have more time.

7 posted on 04/17/2003 1:11:05 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Willie Green
This hardline position is most unfortunate. Apparently the Roman Church still harbors some hard feelings about the Reformation. Y'know letting us read the Bible for ourselves, worship in our native tongue, etc. Bygones will not be bygones in Rome.
8 posted on 04/17/2003 1:12:02 PM PDT by Black Bart
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To: bedolido
is this the same Pope that didn't want the Iraqi people freed? And didn't want the torture and murder to stop?

WHO THE F%$K CARES WHAT HE SAYS!!! HE'S LOST CREDIBILITY!!!

Couldn't have said it better myself. How he could NOT see the similarities between Hitler and Saddam is beyond me.

9 posted on 04/17/2003 1:12:43 PM PDT by spookycc (I raq, I rack 'em up, and I roll)
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To: Willie Green
Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

I don't see where Jesus said anything about being, "in full communion with Rome."
10 posted on 04/17/2003 1:13:26 PM PDT by TSgt (“If I do my full duty, the rest will take care of itself.” - General George S. Patton)
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To: JohnGalt
"Clinton did the same thing in an African Catholic church a few years ago."

That's WHY he's issuing this declaration. It is NOT new, but as was stated here, it has ALWAYS been the law of the Church.

Better late than never - stopping the "for publicity" communion by non-believers.
11 posted on 04/17/2003 1:13:32 PM PDT by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I wonder if this message changes that old practice. I'll have to read it carefully when I have more time.

Nothing has changed in this practice, for those in grave need who express a belief in the Real Presence.

I don't think I would define being on holiday as a "grave need."

SD

12 posted on 04/17/2003 1:13:47 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Willie Green
To deny anyone Communion, if they choose to accept it, is FUNDAMENTALLY UN-CHRISTIAN.
13 posted on 04/17/2003 1:14:42 PM PDT by ffusco ("Essiri sempri la santu fora la chiesa.")
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To: AnAmericanMother
When asked if you are Catholic, you may honestly reply, "Yes, I'm Anglican Catholic."

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church. Any who are baptised with water in the name of Jesus are welcomed.

14 posted on 04/17/2003 1:15:09 PM PDT by Black Bart
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To: steplock
I am in full support of the Pope on this one.

Side note, at an Episcopalian alter, we accept all baptized Christians.
15 posted on 04/17/2003 1:16:11 PM PDT by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: Black Bart
This hardline position is most unfortunate.

Why do you want to pretend there is union where there is none?

Communion, among other things, symbolizes and actualizes the union of those who share the Faith.

If those who don't share the faith are allowed to communion, then we are expressing a lie, pretending that we are united when we are not.

I prefer not to have the sacrament be a lie.

SD

16 posted on 04/17/2003 1:16:11 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Willie Green
ANY hope that Tony Blair had of enjoying a happy, Catholic Easter with his family will be crushed today by the Pope.

What a ridiculous hook.

Saying that he merely wished to worship with his family but had not realised his behaviour was causing offence, he promised he would not do so again. The letter added: “I wonder what Jesus would have made of it?”

This Blair chap is pretty sharp.

17 posted on 04/17/2003 1:16:58 PM PDT by k2blader (Pity people paralyzed in paradigms of political perfection.)
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To: ffusco
EXACTLY! Well said.
18 posted on 04/17/2003 1:17:52 PM PDT by crz
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To: Willie Green
The 83-year-old Pope has chosen Holy Week to stamp on what he sees as dangerously “liberal” interpretations of the Roman Catholic doctrine that only those “in full communion with Rome” can take part in the Eucharist.

Wait a minute: Blair is suddenly forbidden to receive Communion, yet known pedophilic priests and CC hierarchal enablers are? Hmmm - Anything at all to do with Blair and the war??

When convenient, it seems some "liberal" interpretations are more taboo then others.

19 posted on 04/17/2003 1:18:24 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: Willie Green
In a related story, Catholic Church asks Tom Daschle to stop calling himself a Catholic.
20 posted on 04/17/2003 1:19:46 PM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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