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To: BlackElk
You confuse "hundreds of conservative causes" with a desire to preserve the faith itself. This is not just another "cause", it is a fight for the very definition of what it means to be Catholic--that is to say, for the deposit of faith itself. It was Paul VI who protestantized the Mass and it is JnPII who protestantizes Catholic dogma. SSPX changed nothing. It merely opposes revolutionary change which would destroy what we have inherited from apostolic times. The key word here is "revolutionary."

Your equating Gaia worship with the SSPX, therefore, does what all New Religion people do--rejects our Catholic past and ridicules its practices. Even Rome shows more respect these days for SSPX than you do by making such a disparaging comparison. It acknowledges at least that it has a problem for which it is partly responsible. You don't even acknowledge that much. You will blame bad bishops but exonerate the Pope. That on the surface is implausible. It is the Pope who is in charge and who is responsible for the preservation of Catholic Tradition--which he has refused to do.

As for the claim that Archbishop Lefebvre was disobedient, excuse me, while I laugh. --When was the last time a disobedient bishop was denounced by Rome? As far as I can tell, a Novus Ordo bishop can say Mass naked and baptize chimpanzees for all anybody in Rome would give a damn. It's only those who insist on the Traditional Mass who have been reviled. They are still under extreme pressure, even within the Indult. Just ask FSSP priests whose superior general was unceremoniously fired and whose seminary instructors were summarily dismissed--for the crime of asserting their doubts about the glorious revolution. Everything else is up for grabs, even the dogmas of the Real Presence and the Divinity of Christ. Just don't question with too much gusto the nonsense that passes for Catholicism these days.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: obedience to even the pope comes after preservation of the faith itself. Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated traditional bishops in defiance of a papal proscription in order to guarantee the preservation of Catholic Tradition which the Vatican itself wished to stamp out. He was old and about to die and he knew who his enemies were--and they included JnPII who wished to destroy the seminary at Econe--which merely was guilty of practicing the old faith--at the very same time seminaries elsewhere in Europe and America were stewing in apostasy and corruption but were shown patience and tolerance by Rome. That is the simple truth and it is still another blot on this Pontiff's record.

The good Archbishop disobeyed lawfully, moreover, by having recourse to the Pope's own Canon Law which provided the right of disobedience in a time of emergency. Archbishop Lefebvre recognized he was living through such a time, that the Church was in crisis, was, in fact, in a stage of auto-destruction, something even Paul VI had acknowledged, but which JnPII has steadfastly denied. The Pope is still waiting for his springtime to happen, was waiting, in fact, right through the famous Jubilee Year of 2000 which was a gigantic flop. Even now, in the face of decades of scandal and the collapse of Catholic belief everywhere, he waits for something good to come from the multiple lunacies that have been promulgated by his beloved revolution.
45 posted on 04/13/2003 11:55:59 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
My daughter wants to know what drugs you were foolishly using when you imagined that there was some sort of emergency justifying Schismatic Marcel's grotesque disobedience or that you were left to sit in judgment of the pope.
58 posted on 04/14/2003 9:03:16 AM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! The concept of a schismatic Catholic is a contradiction in terms.)
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